The right to self-determination

Published: August 9, 2011

The writer used to be a reporter at Express 24/7 and is now an independent freelance journalist

A new country has been born as South Sudan gains its independence, ending decades of conflict. At least 1.5 million people are believed to have been killed in two civil wars there, but in the end it was a referendum that finally brought peace.

It is time now for Pakistan to deal with its own ‘South Sudan’. There have been five uprisings in Balochistan since it was annexed by Pakistan in 1948. The current insurgency has been the most protracted and has seen the conflict spread from the tribal regions of the territory to the settled districts in the south. Whereas the leadership of the Baloch nationalist movement was once dominated by tribal leaders, today a new breed of insurgents is taking centre-stage: educated, middle class cadres, many of them alumni of the Baloch Students Organisation (Azad), such as guerilla commander Dr Allah Nazar Baloch.

For this new breed, the conflict in Balochistan is one of colonial occupation. They see their movement as being one among other historical liberation struggles around the world like those of Ireland, Angola or Palestine. Similar to South Sudan, the insurgents originally were mainly seeking political rights and autonomy within a federal structure, but today the idea of outright secession is arguably the predominant goal within the Baloch nationalist discourse.

Indeed, go to any music store in Karachi’s Lyari neighbourhood and you will be able to buy CDs of singers singing poetry about an independent Balochistan and lionising the guerrila fighters. The owner of one the largest Baloch music production houses (himself a Pashtun) told me last year that if a Baloch album doesn’t have at least one or two “inquilaabi” songs, it doesn’t sell well.

Online videos of protest rallies in Balochistan show thousands of demonstrators chanting “Pakistan murdabad” and “Azaad Balochistan zindabad”. It is common to see buildings in Baloch areas spray-painted with phrases like “Watan ya kafan”. We can bury our heads in the sand for as long as we want, but the writing is, quite literally, on the wall.

For many patriotic Pakistanis, these images are tantamount to sacrilege and they would argue that the state is justified in using any means to silence any talk of self-determination. They claim that these separatist views are held by just an extremist minority faction among the Baloch, who are backed by India and/or Israel and the US. But regardless of whether we like it or not, the reality is that azaadi is today a widespread and mainstream idea among the Baloch that cannot be ignored.

However, there has recently been a rise in sympathy for the Baloch cause in Pakistan. Whenever news breaks of the extra-judicial murder of a Baloch nationalist figure, it sparks momentary calls from mainstream Pakistani leaders and commentators to address the causes of anger in Balochistan. They identify the right issues, but the calls for addressing these issues are prefaced with the phrase ‘if we want to save Balochistan from breaking away’, or ‘if we want to prevent a repeat of East Pakistan’. The underlying assumption in that argument is that addressing the human rights issues of Balochistan is simply a means to prevent its secession.

But surely these human rights issues need to be addressed not merely as a means to an end, but because they are human rights. And in this same light, we must go one step further and be willing to accept that the principle of self-determination is a right for the Baloch people as much as it is a right for the people of South Sudan, Kashmir, Palestine, or it was when Pakistan was created as an independent state.

Of course, it would be idealistic to expect the power holders of the Pakistani state to all of a sudden start putting what is ‘right’ before their own political and material interests. But we can, at the very least, bring a rights-based approach (including the right to self-determination) into the discourse of how to resolve the Balochistan conflict.

This does not mean that everyone should suddenly start calling for the immediate secession of the territory. Rather, the very real demand for self-determination should stop being childishly treated as an unspeakable taboo, and should be evaluated seriously and honestly along with the other demands.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 10th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (125)

  • harkol
    Aug 9, 2011 - 9:40PM

    @Author

    A nation is a complex entity, unnaturally forged in a geography. The nations we are so passionate about didn’t exist just a few generations ago, and may not exist a few generations from now.

    In a nation it is never the case that all folks will get equal privilege. Even the best of the nations have backward regions, where folks from other regions won’t consider shifting/settling.

    So, the basis for nationhood is an working arrangement between people of various denominations, cultures. If that arrangement breaks down with differences being too many, it can lead to lot of chaos, which the entity called nation will try and prevent.

    International relations are also similar. Most folks in world want status-quo/equilibrium allowing them to focus on enriching their life. Govts across the world hope to provide such a systemic equilibrium, and rarely accept the creation of a new nation, unless that’s the only way to bring balance to a system. Without acceptance by majority of nations a new nation can’t be forged.

    Kashmir, Baluchistan or Palestine will never be separate nations unless there is a huge disturbance to such equilibrium, and world is forced to act and create/accept a solution that’ll provide an equilibrium.

    A nation has rarely been forged without massive violence. So, this talk of new nations and independence is futile unless there is violence at the scale of Bangladesh or massive & sustained struggle for decades. That rarely happens unless a section of people are pushed beyond a point.

    Hopefully, we all will never go through such a painful experience again in our region.

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  • Aug 9, 2011 - 9:41PM

    Bloch separatist/nationalist leaders should use some foresight and recognize that it is impossible to achieve their goals through insurgency. They are simply hitting their heads against the brick wall. Federal govt. is willing to negotiate with them and accept their reasonable demands. Why not sit down and talk?

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  • Chakar
    Aug 9, 2011 - 10:04PM

    Wonderfully written .. a few misconceptions .. The Tribal leadership aka the Sardars were appointed by the Govt itself in order to control the minority as they it. However, a good analysis, though the mud has gone way above the head. Dr. Allah Nazar, to the best of my knowledge, was a peaceful protestor turned into a revolutionary.Recommend

  • Ayesha Siddiqa
    Aug 9, 2011 - 10:28PM

    Indeed a very mature article

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  • Realist.
    Aug 9, 2011 - 11:27PM

    NOW.
    MAJORITY of those who will comment on this article will be Indians.
    bet , Anyone ? :P

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  • Cynical
    Aug 9, 2011 - 11:44PM

    @Walayat Malik

    “Federal govt. is willing to negotiate with them and accept their reasonable demands.”

    Federal Govt. of India also, is willing to negotiate with the Kashmiris in Indian occupied Kashmir and they are also willing to accept their reasonable demands.
    So your logic does not cut much ice.

    The point is what is there to negotiate?
    It’s not about buying a piece of land, not about settling a family feud, not about settling a fare with your local taxi driver; it’s about freedom and that’s non negotiable.

    And who decides what is reasonable?
    Almost always it’s the occupant of the lofty pedestal who dangles the carrot of reasonableness.

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  • Aug 10, 2011 - 12:16AM

    there is one other option…the original pak resolution that called for confederation of autonomous STATES

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  • s
    Aug 10, 2011 - 1:36AM

    I understand the discontentment of the Balochi people but a solution within the Pakistani constitution would serve everyone better- including the people of Balochistan- for multiple reasons- economically, socially..

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  • khan
    Aug 10, 2011 - 1:52AM

    A very sensible and brave article.
    @Walayat Malik
    “Federal govt. is willing to negotiate with them and accept their reasonable demands.”
    Unfortunately as everyone knows the Federal government is quite powerless in Balochistan. Despite recent protestations by the likes of General Kayani, it is obvious that the ‘Balochistan policy’ of brutal repression has and is being orchestrated in Rawalpindi and not in Islamabad.
    It is these people and their subordinates who tell the Baloch : “We can torture you, or kill you, or keep you for years at our will. It is only the army chief and the ISI chief that we obey.”
    Any serious attempt to solve the problem of Balochistan can only start once these people are sidelined from their dominant position of power in the province. Only then can negotiations commence. Kidnapping, torturing and killing can never provide an never answer to any nation’s problems.Recommend

  • Abdul Rashid
    Aug 10, 2011 - 2:03AM

    The author has no time or space in the article to condemn indian criminal and unhuman approach towards Kashmiris, shame on you.

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  • Naveed Baloch
    Aug 10, 2011 - 2:16AM

    Well i must say that the author is quite cognizant of the nuances of the Baloch Struggle. Indeed a very bold piece of writing in context of the stereotype Pakistani Mindset. It is certainly the writing on the wall

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  • Asad
    Aug 10, 2011 - 2:20AM

    But is Baloch nation state a viable entity? This is a tough neighborhood. How will an independent Balochistan stop itself from getting torn apart by power struggles between Iran, Afghanistan and Sindh/Punjab/Khyber Pukhtoonkhwa?

    What about the inter ethnic fighting between the pashtun and baloch that is likely to erupt in such a situation?

    Lastly in international relations there is no such thing as rights. Might is right. There is no morality when it comes to international relations (there is a thousand year literature behind this, starting from Thucydides writing about the Mytelian debate). So I’m not sure how you can put forward an argument about a nation state willingly giving away its territory in the name of rights.

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  • Sohaib Mengal
    Aug 10, 2011 - 2:22AM

    A very well written article. Get ready for some calls/threats from those ISI dudes.

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  • Sab Baloch
    Aug 10, 2011 - 2:27AM

    @Walayat Malik: My Bro nice and appreciable suggestions and we respect your way of thinking and positive approach. But let me put some points before reaching to a result. Baloch Nationalist tried their best to get adjust even with an occupier as Balochistan was occupied by the forces of Pakistan in 1948. Those who are in front in Baloch separatist movement today, were part of parliamentary system in recent years; such as Hyrber Marri, Nawab Bugti the Grand Father of Bramdagh Bugti, Dr. Allah Nizar, who was peaceful student leader, and so many others. At their level best they could not convince and found Pakistani establishment convincible to overcome Baloch grievances. They and many others spent 60years for the purpose and were optimistic to achieve the Baloch rights, but they failed and lose hopes due to the rigid attitude of Pakistani establishment. The Army and even civil establishment played with their hopes and treated the issue insincerely. Now the things have reached to a point of no return as thousands of Baloch activist, Students, politician and other people have brutally been killed by the security agencies of Pakistan. The families of these people can never bargain over the dead bodies of their beloved. Further, I need not go into the details of grievances and the issues as these things have been discussed in detail in recent day in media. Secondly as for as the matter of “hitting the heads against the brick wall” is concerned, many nations of the world hit their heads against big brick walls for their identity and freedom and succeeded in their struggle. An example from your own country exists in form of Bangladesh.

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  • andleeb
    Aug 10, 2011 - 3:40AM

    Balochis are patriotic Pakistanis, and many have even been permitted to serve in the Pakistani army. India is behind this unrest, as is well known. Get your facts right Fahad.. Pakistan did not “annex” anyone, Balochistan is as much part of Pakistan as is Kashmir ! You need to listen to patriots and truly intelligent people like Zaid Hamid.

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  • Aug 10, 2011 - 4:38AM

    first of all i would like to thank author for writing SOMETHING about Balochistan.
    as a baloch i can feel that the author is a patriot , he loves pakistan more than any pakistani/punjabi thats why he is trying to confuse people more than a pakistani/punjabi.
    dear author Baloch are defending thier contry not demanding from a country to become a country because we were not a part of this country (Pakistan) thats why we (Baloch) according to the International laws have no rights to demand such a right from pakistan and also pakistan doesnt have power to give self-determination rights to baloch. Baloch Wants “Success (Free Balochistan ) or Death (Shahadat)”

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  • Aug 10, 2011 - 5:04AM

    This article can get you in trouble with the agencies!!!

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  • Azaad
    Aug 10, 2011 - 5:15AM

    @Walayat Malik:
    Dear If We Go Back Many Govts And Leaders Offered the same deal but what happened? nothing. Pakistani Govt And Leaders Make Promises Just To Break them.Keep Your this suggestion with yourself and grow up and Look At things Down to Earth.

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  • Azaad
    Aug 10, 2011 - 5:18AM

    @Realist.:
    Grow Up Man ! Go And Check Again Majority is Baloch !!! Don’t Talk Rubbish And Childish things. There isn’t America,Israel Or India ! Its Us The Baloch Who Are Sacrificing , Struggling For our Independence.

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  • Azaad
    Aug 10, 2011 - 5:25AM

    @Asad:
    Dear If We Are Willing And Capable Of Achieving Freedom then We Are Able To Keep Our Freedom As Well

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  • Mir
    Aug 10, 2011 - 5:26AM

    Very Well & Maturely Written. Thnx 4 breaking the Fast of Silence.Recommend

  • Azaad
    Aug 10, 2011 - 5:29AM

    I Don’t have words to praise the Brave Writer And This Bold article. I just Pray For the Safety Of Author And Salute Him.

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  • Rock
    Aug 10, 2011 - 7:13AM

    The writer’s surname is desmukh which is Indian maharashtrian surname. This is surprising. Except muslim communities(memon, bohra,etc) from Mumbai very few maharashtrian muslims went to pakistan during partition.

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  • Nate Gupta
    Aug 10, 2011 - 7:14AM

    @Realist.:
    Bet Realist is one of those Zaid Hamid fans and looks at everything through the prism of India, Jew, Christian conspiracy :D

    I honestly think that we should support Baloch people’s rights the way Pakistanis try to be the mouth piece of Kashmiris. At least we don’t want Balochistan to be a part of India, do we ;)

    Oh the irony! The land of pure… full of munafiqs (For those who don’t know – the urdu word for hypocrites).

    Let’s support Baloch people, everybody!

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  • Babloo
    Aug 10, 2011 - 8:09AM

    If the Baluch people are given the same level of autonomy as Jammu and Kashmir residents enjoy (Indians from outside j&k cannot buy land or property in J&K ) , Like 95% of police and judiciary and government officials in Kashmir valley are local people. The popularly elected CM of J&K , Omar Abdullah riules in a democratic system with entire law enforcement reporting to him – then Baluch people may not seek secession. The ONLY REASON SOME kashmiris seek secession is because of their refusal to live in a democratic , secular state , motivated by religion based propoganda. That issue is not there in Baluchistan. So if Pakistan stops repression, killings and torture of civilian Baluch dissenters then situation can become normal.

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  • chao
    Aug 10, 2011 - 9:26AM

    Rock
    “…very few maharashtrian muslims went to pakistan during partition”.
    – His forefathers may have gone during the panipat war when in 1759-60, Maratha forces had captured the city of Attock.

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  • khan
    Aug 10, 2011 - 9:28AM

    For the past three years we have been hearing a constant refrain about Indian involvement in the Baloch insurgency from the likes of Rahman Malik and assorted military spokesmen. Yet, despite the copious passage of time not an iota of concrete proof has been submitted either to the citizens of Pakistan or in the international forum.

    Just because an allegation is constantly repeated made in Goebbelsian fashion does not make it true.

    The fact fact that there has been NO evidence provided so far, this accusation remains pure conjecture and raises the question: Was there any evidence there in the first place?

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  • Vicram Singh
    Aug 10, 2011 - 9:35AM

    @Rock: ” … The writer’s surname is desmukh which is Indian maharashtrian surname. …. “

    There are Bengali Desmukhs too.

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  • meero
    Aug 10, 2011 - 10:12AM

    to the well informed writer and the bloggers a fruit for thought Balochistan is a province of 60% percent Pashtuns plus a minority hazars and they are getting the same share of opportunities but why is it that the less than 40% Baloch are the one who are asking for separation. Advice please go on ground and check the realities .

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  • Syed Haider
    Aug 10, 2011 - 10:56AM

    Balochistan is a Pashtun majority state, Balochis are not the majority. The majority wants to be with Pakistan. The Baloch will have to learn how to develop & progress, rather than supporting the Marri & Bugti tribesmen that keep them uneducated, blow up pipelines & other sources of development, etc.

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  • Aug 10, 2011 - 11:04AM

    Being a Baloch, i just want to say that the young baloch are wasting there energy:(

    Killing of Baloch is wrong as well as Killing of Punjabi is also wrong. Those poor Punjabi who left their “well establishment province” and doing job”backward province” are really innocent!

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  • Yea Right
    Aug 10, 2011 - 11:32AM

    @Mr.Desmukh:
    I agree with you that there has to be a serious and mature approach by the Pakistani state to address the Baloch issues. Baloch have legitimate reasons to be unhappy about. Even if Pakistan annexed Balochistan by force, serious attempts should’ve been made to accomodate Balochi sensitivities, to make them feel like as much Pakistani as the rest of the country and to convince them that being a part of Pakistan was in their own best interest. However I do not believe it is realistic to put secession on the table. From my recent studying of the Balochistan issue, I can say that Balochistan is most definitely not South Sudan and the issues there today are a lot more complicated than the ones you have alluded to. There must be some middle ground that addresses issues of loyalty and fairness to both Pakistan and Balochistan.
    On a side note, you wrote that, “Online videos of protest rallies in Balochistan show thousands of demonstrators chanting “Pakistan murdabad” and “Azaad Balochistan zindabad”. Out of curiousity I checked out the links and I certainly did not see “Thousands of demonstrators”. At best they number a few hundred and no more. This kind of misrepresentation gives me cause to question your objectivity and professionalism and whether you’re serving someone else’s agenda in the guise of advocating principles and rights.

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  • Paras Vikmani
    Aug 10, 2011 - 11:52AM

    Dear author,

    Save yourself from ISI.

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  • Irshad Khan
    Aug 10, 2011 - 11:57AM

    Baluchistan province has been constantly neglected throughout its history even before Independence not only by the governments but media(now electronic media), Industrialists, Investors and by its own elite ie Sardars and Nawabs. Most of its elite class lives in Karachi and Islamabad and resist to live in their own villages, where they go only for short visits. After being given status of a province in 1970, it has always been ruled by only elite class and no common citizen was included in the ministry or made an advisor. Baluchis were avoided in civil services, police force, Armed forces and even in constabularies. We, the all Pakistanis have looted their wealth of gas, coal, marble, copper with the help of their cheap labour and on cheap rates, fixed by ourselves. We have been buying their fruits on very cheap rates through middlemen. What have we given them in return; any residential colonies where-from we exploited resources. Most of these people live without any shadows on their heads. They are always also neglected by our media and they never show their sufferings during floods and earth-quacks. Their beautiful and sight-seeing locations are rarely shown on TV, particularly Ziarat, Zhob, Quetta and many other attractive locations and that way these places were not developed. People will be surprised to know that upto a few years back Baluchistan was the safest place in Pakistan and one could also travel safely during nights and take tasty foods at road side/water streams restaurants. Meat was very cheap, fresh and juicy. Baluchistan has been completely neglected and still being neglected. We should not lose time in thinking but act quickly and every province should contribute towards development of Baluchistan as a special case, beside federal government`s special grants.

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  • Rao Shukat
    Aug 10, 2011 - 12:19PM

    I am just wondering had Sir Charles Napier been alive, how would, in present complex situation , he been able to deal with insurgency. We must remember that since Sir. Napiers time, every insurgency in the sub continent, be it Kasmir, be it inidian Punjab or be it Tamal Nado in Siri Lanka has been defeated by his two point simple formula.
    1- First ….Talk to those who want to talk…give them land, honor, medals, scholarships etc. and ask them to contribute in the stability of the federation by providing money and men for the armed forces and by their visible loyalty to the government.
    2- For those who do not wish to or feel to talk, tire them out. Make them feel that their journey will be met with sheer force and resistence and government will not bow to their un accepatable demands.

    I greatly appreciate the authors view but I simply do not know how would you talk to a brand of people who take pleasure in killing ” punjabi” labourers and making them flee their homes. Blaoch nationalist need to wake up and use their influence to stop this menace. If they do not need Punjabis, thats fine. Then they should also ask thousands of Balochis living in Punjab to relocate to Balochistan. Bigotry on these issues makes their cause quite low morally.

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  • Naveed Baloch
    Aug 10, 2011 - 12:51PM

    @meero: My dear, the establishment has tried its utmost in the past two decades to convert the Balochs into minority by settling the Afghans in Balochistan but failed to do that. And for your kind information the Balochistan for which the Baloch are struggling do not include pushtoon areas my dear. So do not distort the facts and belittle the Baloch struggle.,

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  • Naveed Baloch
    Aug 10, 2011 - 12:53PM

    @Hamza Balouch: Dear get correct your spelling of Baloch first and then you will be a baloch

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  • Sajida
    Aug 10, 2011 - 12:55PM

    What about Kashmir, Nagaland, Western Sahara? South Sudan had to do with oil and great game. East Timor is a similar example. But, in both new countries, sustainability is an issue. Do they have capacity? The way they are now, it looks like they will follow what has also happened with Kosovo.Balochistan needs to end its tribal makeup to be a sustainable independent entity. Tribes and democracy are incompatible. The mess in many African countries is because they are tribal.
    http://www.sudantribune.com/Tribalism-an-obstacle-to-democracy,20629
    Tribalism an obstacle to democracy in Southern Sudan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9OoLCkadZQ
    Tribalism threatens democracy – Retired President Moi
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7168551.stm
    Kenya stokes tribalism debate
    http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?load=detay&link=184121
    Tribalism main obstacle to democracy in Afghanistan, say Afghan intellectuals
    Gee how was Kalabagh killed? That is part and parcel of Balochi tribalism. Tribal fueds and assassinations. The mindset is ancient! They do not do this in Scotland anymore!

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  • asad
    Aug 10, 2011 - 1:00PM

    @merro 60% of pashtuns in balochista!really funny and base less. U better go there and u wil how many balochs r living. Dnt count the refugees of afghanistan. Respect all pashtuns and no doubt that they are living on there part and we are at ours. We want our part of land, which is the demand of 80% balochs

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  • Nasrat
    Aug 10, 2011 - 1:06PM

    @khan: Very well said brother, but it is for those who have courage to listen the bitter truth. The bitter truth is that this is not a spontaneous movement, it has been there since the very beginning.We lost one part with same dirty tricks but never learnt a lesson, now repeating the very same.One commentator here mentioned ” this independence and its not is not negotiable”
    ya he very right it is of course not negotiable but who does he think responsible for all that?After 63 years Baloch/Balochistan is still not connected with rest of Pakistan by any means say it roads network, railway,Air and sea.Still district HQs without electricity/gas and drinking waters.I here invite me my brothers from urban cities of Punjab,Sindh and KPK to come and visit the interior Balochistan for theirselves and then comment. But for god sake dont tell me that for all this the Sardars of the area responsible which is totally one-sided propaganda, as in Mekran, Kharan Noshki, dalbandain and all Lasbella and coastal area there is no Sardars.

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  • amlendu
    Aug 10, 2011 - 2:55PM

    @Abdul Rashid:
    Would you say the same thing about any article written about Kashmir occupation that the writer has not mentioned Pakistani Army’s inhuman attitude towards Balochs?

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  • meero
    Aug 10, 2011 - 3:55PM

    Why is it tht we have issues with pointing fingers and one another and all those Baloch who are exercising there english language skill may i ask how many of you voted ? and how many of you actually are living in Balochistan while writing about ur beloved province?

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  • Abhi
    Aug 10, 2011 - 3:56PM

    three cheers for andleeb!

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  • G. Din
    Aug 10, 2011 - 4:37PM

    @Rao Shukat:
    “Tamal Nado in Siri Lanka”
    It is “Tamil Nadu” and “Sri Lanka”. Incidentally, Tamil Nadu is in India, not Sri Lanka. If you wish to be taken seriously, you must be precise. That is especially so in your case since you moved in the high political circles in pre-partition India, as we were informed elsewhere.
    “1- First ….Talk to those who want to talk…
    2- For those who do not wish to or feel to talk, tire them out. ….”

    Sir Napier was not the one who invented this strategy. The Islamic barbarian invaders of India (or anywhere) before him used the same strategy, after the stage of predatory conquest was over and consolidation of what they had conquered was the need of the moment. Indeed it is commonsense. Let us not get too much mileage out of it as if it were earth-shakingly original!

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  • Mujeeb Athangal
    Aug 10, 2011 - 4:48PM

    This article is baseless and lacks knowledge about Balochistan demographics.

    1) 30% of Balochistan population is Pakhtun. While 10% are Sindhi, Punjabi, Saraiki and Hazara. Baloch are in majority with 60% of population. In this way, 40% population rejects freedom.

    2) Azad Balochistan is demanded by some segments of Marri and Bugti tribe.
    Raisani, Magsi, Jamali, Kurd, Rind, Lehri, Zehri, Bizenjo, Badini, Nusherwani, Lasi, Bhutani, Muhammad Hassani, Ghicki, Buledi and Kalmati rejects freedom.
    Akhtar Mengal also wants provincial autonomy. In Marri, Hazar khan Bijarani, Jangez Marri (son of Nawab Khair Buksh Marri), Senator Muhabat Marri and Shah Nawaz Marri are against freedom. In Bugti, Talal Bugti, Shah zain Bugti and Nawab Aali Bugti (Nawab of Bugti tribe) are against freedom.

    Deshmukh Sahib write something after some research because research is always good for journalists.

    Thanks

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  • Reasonable
    Aug 10, 2011 - 4:52PM

    All the matters boil down to one thing. Difference in political opinion not who is right or who is wrong. It is like two people arguing upon a half filled glass of water. One trying to prove the glass is half full while other trying to prove the glass is half empty.
    Baloch consider the annexation of their land in march 1948 illegal while their opponents consider it legal. They will never convince each other because they have different perception of the issue.
    We must not forget that “The master is always right while slave is always wrong doesn’t matter how reasonable he is”. In this scenario Baloch consider themselves as slaves while Pakistani elites consider themselves as their masters.
    The fate of Balochistan lies in the hands of western powers not how strong Pakistani army is against few Baloch insurgents. Pakistan must not forget that once they lose the Coalition of western powers against Taliban and Al-Qaida, Pakistan will lose the grip over Balochistan, the story will be very different. Open your eyes and take a look over Sudan and what is going on in Libya.

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  • ali zaman
    Aug 10, 2011 - 4:53PM

    portrays the actual condition what really happening in Balochistan. but there must b some negotiation

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  • Ozymandias
    Aug 10, 2011 - 6:16PM

    I’m continually amazed how those who gush over Baloch separatists also refuse to condemn the excesses committed by those same separatists. I guess that’s just not fashionable?

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  • azaad
    Aug 10, 2011 - 6:56PM

    @Mujeeb Athangal:
    Wow Mujeeb How Easily you have Sort out the Huge Baloch Tribes Who Support and Who Does Not Support Freedom. Even they are not that much sure about themselves!
    How can you say that Raisani, Magsi, Jamali, Kurd, Rind, Lehri, Zehri, Bizenjo, Badini, Nusherwani, Lasi, Bhutani, Muhammad Hassani, Ghicki, Buledi and Kalmati reject freedom.???
    I want freedom , Don’t I Belong To Jamali Tribe?
    post your survey that you have conducted in balochistan then there are some chances that people may believe you.

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  • SM
    Aug 10, 2011 - 8:04PM

    This is full of contradictions! To say self-determination or separation is the only way forward is accepting these people are not only, not a part of Pakistan, but you are actually saying the govt in incapable of giving them the human rights they deserve. Which it is proving to be. The longer their plight is ignored (and yes it has been more than 60 violent, poverty stricken, marginalised years for the Baloch) the more ingrained their hatred for the state and alienation from the identity of being Pakistani will be. That is WHY the Cutting them off is not the cure. The government, federal and provincial need to ensure they are treated like the sindhis, punjabis and pashtuns are. I also hope the Baloch are given the rights and facilities other Pakistanis are being provided. Maybe the self-determination/separation idea is a quick fix…but how far will it go? The wider question is, why after 64 years – being Pakistani doesn’t have a definition, and still, large parts of the country don’t have an identity as Pakistanis.

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  • SM
    Aug 10, 2011 - 8:18PM

    one more point, in a country where a person’s vote is rarely their own…a referendum or “self-determination” is a futile exercise which will only empower the feudal lords/sardars who have equally done nothing for their population/fellow Baloch

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  • Mujeeb Athangal
    Aug 10, 2011 - 8:55PM

    @Azaad

    1) I think you know better that Jamalis are serving Pakistan and Balochistan since 1947.

    2) Separatists kill 14 years old Aqmal Raisani because of affiliation of Raisani tribe with Pakistan.

    3) Magsi tribe is supporting Pakistan under the leadership of Nawab Magsi.

    4) Rind tribe led by Sardar Yar M Rind is in favour of Pakistan.

    5) Zehri (e.g Sardar Sanaullah, Mir Israrullah etc.) are in good book of Pakistan.

    6) Nousherwani supported Pakistan during 2005-06 operation.

    7) Kurd (like Asim Kurd, Ali Ahmed Kurd) have never supported Marri BLA and Bugti BRA.

    8) Lehri (like Ahmed Buksh Lehri) are supporting Pakistan.

    9) Kalmati have given a lot of land to Pakistan for Gwadar port development.

    10) Lasi (like Jam Yousaf, Abdus Samad Lasi) supported 2005-06 operation.

    11) Bhutani (like Aslam Bhuttani, Saleh Bhutani) are favouring Pakistan.

    12) Baloch nationalist parties NP (led by Abdul Malik and Hasil Bizenjo), JWP (led by Talal and Shahzain Bugti), BNP Awami (led by Israrullah Zehri), BNP Mengal (led by Sardar Mengal) have publically denied freedom movement.

    Only Kohlu, Dera Bugti and Turbat leaders cannot decide about fate of Balochistan.

    In the end, a quote of Nawabzada Jangez Marri (elder son of Nawab Khair Bux Marri) : Balochistan freedom is a business for separatists.

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  • mind control
    Aug 10, 2011 - 8:59PM

    @Ozymandis

    I’m continually amazed how those who gush over Baloch separatists also refuse to condemn the excesses committed by those same separatists. I guess that’s just not fashionable?

    Just replace Kashmiri for Baloch and read your post again. Before you start frothing, remember that Kahmiri Pandits have been exterminated from the valley. Has any ethnicity been cleaned up in Balochistan? I guess, Balochistani fashion is yet to catch up with Kashmiri fashion.

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  • Naseem ali
    Aug 10, 2011 - 9:00PM

    I have gone through the comments written by different reades. I would only comment on those who have the problem with ISI. I am shure that those raising fingers on ISI have surely connections with RAW. otherwise no Pakistani will blame ISi which is an important institution of
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  • mind control
    Aug 10, 2011 - 9:12PM

    @Andleeb

    Balochistan is as much part of Pakistan as is Kashmir ! You need to listen to patriots and truly intelligent people like Zaid Hamid.

    Ever heard of Syed Ali Shah Geelani, Abdul Gani Lone, Maulana Abbas Ansari, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Yasin Malik. All alive and well.
    Now compile a list of Baloch nationalists whose tortured dead bodies are yet to be recovered. Ask Zaid Hamid to explain the difference.

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  • Rao Shukat
    Aug 10, 2011 - 9:20PM

    @G. Din:
    Your comments are appreciated but learn some manners. I had the previlige of moving in high political circles, that does not impart perfectness on me. Neither any human being should say so.
    Your refrence about ” Tamil Nado” is well taken but at the same time, your refrence of ” Islamic barbarisim” shows the shallowness of your knowledge of history. I recommend that you read about the conquest of Sindh by Charles Napier, not through the digest style internet blogs but through some authentic history. If you would wish, and not be blinded by your jealousy of my previous positions, or by your own prejudice about muslims, I will be happy to share some names.

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  • Muhammad Haris Ansari
    Aug 10, 2011 - 9:47PM

    indians illegally annexed Kashmir, Sikkim, Goa, Hyderabad, and Junagadh and Manawadar. indians should display some secularism and democracy which they utterly lack, and grant Nagaland and Assam independence from the artificial indian union. Set ur own house in order before lecturing others. indians would do well to carve out an independent state of Khalistan to grant sovereignty and independence to Sikhs, whose rights have been violated since the creation of the artificial state of india. Terrorist colonial occupier indian army has massacred 70,000 Kashmiris since 1989 when they raised the standard for rightful and legitimate independence from brutal and savage indian occupation. so much for their hollow slogans of secularism and democracy. If u hav any iota of democracy, then grant independence to Kashmir, Nagaland, Khalistan, and Assam. Recommend

  • Feroz Jamali
    Aug 10, 2011 - 9:53PM

    @meero:
    Hey Mr.! Baluchistan consists of nearly 24 districts, of which only 6 are Pashtun inhabited while the other 18 are Baluch inhabited. And the Hazaras live in a small area in Quetta city. The majority you are talking about is just a mere assumption of your Punjabi Ideology. You may fool some who don’t have time to observe the truth themselves and believe in rumors such as you are spreading but the sensible and educated people don’t have time It’s a kind request to find some other platform for yourself!!Recommend

  • Feroz Jamali
    Aug 10, 2011 - 10:11PM

    I wonder what information do Pakistani people have about the Baloch. They claim Balochs as their brothers but couldn’t learn to pronounce their brothers’ name correctly. Even after so much information on T.V, Web and Newspapers, they pronounce Baloch as ‘Balochi’.Recommend

  • Bangash
    Aug 10, 2011 - 10:22PM

    Pashtuns in Baluchistan and Makran Baluch have no interest in secession.

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  • Nate Gupta
    Aug 10, 2011 - 10:30PM

    @Muhammad Haris Ansari:
    The day dreaming by Ansari Lal ;)Recommend

  • Vicram Singh
    Aug 10, 2011 - 10:48PM

    @Muhammad Haris Ansari: ” … If u hav any iota of democracy, then grant independence to Kashmir, Nagaland, Khalistan, and Assam. …

    We are more interested in Sindh and Baluchistan getting their independence.

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  • akhtar
    Aug 10, 2011 - 11:26PM

    Very mature article. Media has still a respect in Pakistan for such people otherwise we have lost in every sphere of life.

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  • eraj khan
    Aug 11, 2011 - 1:12AM

    I want to ask my Balochi brothers, if there is anything we can do to make them stay with us!!… I would never advocate the policies of Pak Army and our Parliament regarding Balochistan, and those policies were probably the sole reason for Balochi’s anger towards us. But I know one thing for sure, that we, as people of this country, never considered them inferior. You should realize that till a couple of years ago, freedom of will and speech was not something well appreciated in other parts of the country as well. But things started to change gradually. Our media and Government kept us away from you but now we have begun to bridge these gaps. And I have my sympathies for the Baloch cause but I really want us to stay as one.

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  • eraj khan
    Aug 11, 2011 - 1:20AM

    People here are trying to debate on this issue. Well they shouldn’t. We should try to understand their anger and accept it. I believe that we would have done the same, had some one murdered our loved ones. They are right in their cause and that’s why we should be persuading them politely. Author has taken a good step forward. It is time for us to show them our love and not the same hate that we showed for more than 60 years. We shouldn’t call them unpatriotic or Indian agents, rather its time for us to realize what wrong did we do in all those years. Remember, solutions arrive when we listen to each other and try to find a common ground, rather than trying to contradict their every argument as a show of our “intellect”… I’ll be more than happy to see any replies from our Baloch brothers.

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  • A Baloch From
    Aug 11, 2011 - 4:22AM

    Thank you

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  • A Baloch From western Balochistan
    Aug 11, 2011 - 4:31AM

    The war between the Baloch people and the occupiers in Pakistan and Iran is a war between a country “Balochistan” and its invaders. Balochistan was a sovereign independent country that had been divided by the British to Iran and Afghanistan and later occupied by Pakistan in 48. Therefore by the international law the Baloch nation have all the right to be independent once again. There is no desire in us living in the occupiers slavery for more than 80 years in Iran and 62 years in Pakistan. The Baloch nation in western Balochistan and the Diaspora in the Gulf states with our brothers in our unified struggle for libration. Long live the independent country of Balochistan.

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  • Mirza
    Aug 11, 2011 - 7:59AM

    @andleeb: You said “Balochis are patriotic Pakistanis, and many have even been permitted to serve in the Pakistani army. India is behind this unrest”

    How can you say that “many Baloch have been permitted in Pak army? It is like saying we have permitted (as honor and not their basic right) Baloch foreigners to serve in our army. We should be ashamed of treating any nationality like this. It is their country and their army not the other way around.
    @Khan, I agree 100% of your mature postings. May God bless you for telling the truth.
    @Author, I am proud of you for the most mature and truthful article on the potentially explosive situation in Baluchistan.

    Thanks and regards,
    Mirza

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  • Zeeshan
    Aug 11, 2011 - 9:24AM

    @mind control,

    Pakistani army, unlike Indian army, had not sent trucks to move Punjabis or Pathans out of Balochistan. If they did, I wonder whether you will call that ethnic cleansing or merely a ploy from the “Punjabi-dominated army”.

    Mass murdering Kashmiris who want to seek independence without impunity or reducing them as terrorists/Islamic fundamentalists are what India does. Placing leaders who want to seek independence under house arrest,shutting down mosques,placing curfews and turning Kashmir into the most militarized zone are all what India is doing right now in Kashmir. I don’t think you need to hear Zaid Hamid mentioning the atrocities your country is committing in Kashmir…and Northeast.

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  • Bhola
    Aug 11, 2011 - 10:19AM

    If my Baloch brothers really want a revolution, they need to get rid of their sardars, nawabs, and khans who keep their common people oppressed and without access to basics in life. These sardars, nawabs and khans have kept Baloch ppl in ransom for decades, they blackmail the central govt, fleece money from it and use it to build and support their private armies and militias. Thus subjugating the Baloch and keeping them under their iron rule.

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  • observer
    Aug 11, 2011 - 11:04AM

    @Muhammad Haris Ansari

    If u hav any iota of democracy, then grant independence to Kashmir, Nagaland, Khalistan, and Assam.

    What??? And no independence for Sikkim, Goa, Hyderabad, Junagadh and Manawadar?

    Just for the sake of my knowledge, Where and what is Manawadar?

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  • observer
    Aug 11, 2011 - 11:08AM

    @Zeeshan

    Placing leaders who want to seek independence under house arrest,

    Would you prefer finding their tortured,mutilated dead bodies by the roadside?

    I don’t think you need to hear Zaid Hamid mentioning the atrocities your country is committing in Kashmir

    Where else did you hear it, if not the Zaid Hamid show?

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  • Vicram Singh
    Aug 11, 2011 - 11:53AM

    Actually Pakistanis are mortally scared of conducting a free and fair plebiscite in Kashmir and GB under their control. Ergo, they will NEVER talk about conducting the plebiscite THEY are required to under the UNSC resolution on Kashmir. Instead you will hear infantile pronouncements about how their heart bleeds for Kashmiris in India.

    No wonder YOUR OWN leading intellectuals have called Pakistan a land of ( منافق ) munafiqun.

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  • Dr.Salim
    Aug 11, 2011 - 11:59AM

    Salute and Regards to author for the bold article. I wish him his good health and Allah hifazat karey. Khuda Hafiz brother.

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  • Shayhak
    Aug 11, 2011 - 12:33PM

    @Walayat Malik:
    The coming time will prove if it is hitting the heads to stone. Let’s see.

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  • Shayhak
    Aug 11, 2011 - 12:35PM

    @Realist.:
    When we find no arguments, we start emotional black-mailing and personal attack.

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  • Amir
    Aug 11, 2011 - 12:38PM

    Baloch make only 3% of Pakistan’s population, they dont even make the majority in Balochistan province. Pashtuns, Punjabis, Kashmiris, and Sindhis are very patriotic Pakistanis. I suggest more Pashtuns, Punjabis, Kashmiris, and SIndhis settling in Balochistan and more Baloch settling in other parts of Pakistan so more Baloch can be patriotic Pakistanis like rest of Pakistan. And not all Baloch are against Pakistan. Pakistan army and ISI can easily eliminate the few troublemakers among Baloch.

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  • Shayhak
    Aug 11, 2011 - 12:43PM

    @Cynical:
    What a nice reply to him.

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  • Shayhak
    Aug 11, 2011 - 12:49PM

    @s:
    What a system the Baloch have been dragged into by Pakistan. Visit bbcurdu.com and read Wasat’s article of this week about the Pakistani System. And Constitution? Is there any? I haven’t seen it through out the Pakistani History.

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  • MAD
    Aug 11, 2011 - 12:59PM

    Pakistan will not be divided again. If blood flows so be it.

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  • Shayhak
    Aug 11, 2011 - 1:00PM

    @Mujeeb Athangal:
    And you have to conduct some research about Pakhtun Papulation that how it increased within years. It wasnt this ratio in Balochistan before. Hope your perception will get clear.

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  • Shayhak
    Aug 11, 2011 - 1:06PM

    @Abdul Rashid:
    Ha ha ha, How biased people get, amazing.

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  • mind control
    Aug 11, 2011 - 1:34PM

    @MAD

    Pakistan will not be divided again. If blood flows so be it.

    1905- Bengal will not be partitioned, if blood flows so be it. Blood flowed and Bengal got partitioned.

    1947- India will not be divided, if blood flows so be it.A lot of blood flowed and partition still occured.

    1971- Bangladesh will not happen, if blood flows so be it. Massacres could not prevent Bangladesh.

    2011- Pakistan will not be divided again. If blood flows so be it. Will the results be different this time atound?

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  • Amused
    Aug 11, 2011 - 1:39PM

    Please someone should ask the writer, and I use that term loosely, to first try to aquaint himself with the tenets of realism and how a state operates. And Express Tribune can do better than publishing idealist rants about “rights” from has-beens. Someone who “used to be a reporter at Express 24/7″ (whatever that is) and is most probably desperate for an assignment from a foreign news agency is not a very good contender for writing Op-Eds for a respectable newspaper. If it was a blog piece then such an opinion piece from a “reporter” (even if one of CNN or FOX) could be considered for inclusion but if former Express 24/7 reporters are the best Express Tribune can come up with about who writes its Op-Eds then God help it!

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  • MAD
    Aug 11, 2011 - 2:15PM

    @mind control:

    yeah cause there arent that many baloch to fight for too long.

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  • chandran
    Aug 11, 2011 - 2:37PM

    Azad Balochistan is demanded by some segments of Marri and Bugti tribe.
    Raisani, Magsi, Jamali, Kurd, Rind, Lehri, Zehri, Bizenjo, Badini, Nusherwani, Lasi, Bhutani, Muhammad Hassani, Ghicki, Buledi and Kalmati rejects freedom.

    When this much tribal community are living in balochistan then how the self determination is possible

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  • Ghazanfar Azzam
    Aug 11, 2011 - 3:17PM

    What Baluchistan? The majority population in Baluchistan comprises of Pakhtuns. Furthermore, what’s common between Baluchi population of Dera Bugti with Gawadar? Do they even know each other?

    The whole issue has been blown up by Indian mercanries and agents. First of all Baluchistan needs to be divided between Pakhtun and Baluch majority areas. The Saraiki speaking areas of Baluchistan need to be merged with the new Saraiki province and there will be nothing left for the idiots calling for so called Azad Bauluchistan.

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  • Phajja
    Aug 11, 2011 - 4:12PM

    @Nate Gupta: ” honestly think that we should support Baloch people’s rights the way Pakistanis try to be the mouth piece of Kashmiris. ”
    Hahahaha.. Gupta,,, how funny…!!!
    Your example fit to this situation that I am going to describe here. There was a black man show up for an interview on a famous American talk show and he was hiding his face with veil. The show was about the role of Ku Klux Klan and its philosophy,. This Black man was supporting KKK’s activities and wanted theaudience to recognize him as part of KKK. The Host started laughing, and said to him” do you know that KKK is precisely to kill blacks and if they see you they will kill you instead”.
    Your criminal army with the nod of central Govt. killed 100,000 kashmiris and Youa re going to support balich Muslim? WOW.. KKK’s Black Fan. LOL

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  • azaad
    Aug 11, 2011 - 4:27PM

    @Mujeeb Athangal:
    That Is Correct But You Have Mentioned All The Sardars And Nawabs Of Different Tribe And Fortunately today The Middle Class , Educated Baloch Is Struggling For Independence And There Number Is Much More Than All These Sardars And People With Them.
    You Are Crying Over 14 Year Haqmal Raisani’s Death but You Forgot How Many Man , Women And Children Are Being Killed Just Because Of Dummy Balochistan Govt In The Leadership Of Aslam Raisani.
    Than For Telling Me History Of Jamalis Which I Already Know But I Think You Don’t Know That Now Things Are Changing and Jamalis Are Fed Up Of Their Sardars And They Are Going To Face Defeat In Upcoming Elections.

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  • azaad
    Aug 11, 2011 - 4:38PM

    @eraj khan:
    Thanx Alot Eraj khan ! I m Very Happy After Reading Few Words Of Love And Care For Baloch Nation From A Pakistani.
    I’ll Say Just 1 Sentence That If Majority If Pakitanis had the Same Feelings For Baloch Nation May Be Today We Would Not be Demanding Separation.

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  • azaad
    Aug 11, 2011 - 4:47PM

    @MAD: You Represent Your Name 100%. Keep going.

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  • eraj khan
    Aug 11, 2011 - 5:10PM

    @azaad:
    And I would be praying that majority of Pakistanis may change these feelings sooner, if we are serious in preventing, anymore loss of precious lives What I, as an individual, can do is to propagate your concerns to as many as I can, so that freedom or no freedom, atleast we end up in a relationship of love. We were a closed society. Our leaders kept lying to us about situation in Balochistan. We were taught a distorted version of history. But, thanks to Allah who is revealing the truths for us now. And the more we hear, more it hurts. I hope that the majority of Pakistanis may realize it before it gets any further, and should do their utmost effort to address all the injustices that the Baloch suffered. I have a feeling that you may not agree with me because it has already gone too far, but I have every right to hope for a united nation of love and prosperity. May god help me, for I have honest intentions. Ameen .

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  • Mujeeb Athangal
    Aug 11, 2011 - 5:36PM

    @ Shayak
    Pushtoon in Balochistan are approximately 25% to 30%. Hope you will update me if you have new information.

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  • Mujeeb Athangal
    Aug 11, 2011 - 6:08PM

    @Azaad
    You Baloch are responsible for your own fate.

    1) Why Baloch speak Sindhi in Sindh and Saraiki in Punjab and why dont they promote their language?

    2) Bugti and Marri are indeed heroes of freedom movement but why Dera Bugti and Kohlu are least developed areas of Pakistan.

    3) Why separatists are killing innocent opponent Balochs?

    4) Why Baloch are opposing developement projects?

    The bitter truth is that Baloch are responsible for their own fate.

    However, I support reasonable demands of Baloch people like provincial control over natural resources, development of least developed areas of Pakistan, preservance of culture of all nations of Pakistan and promotion of Pakistani languages etc.

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  • Mujeeb Athangal
    Aug 11, 2011 - 6:35PM

    @Azaad
    Indeed, Baloch educated middle class is emerging. This is good omen for Pakistan and Balochistan. Baloch educated middle class will be able to run Balochistan effectively like Punjab, Sindh and KPK.

    But All Baloch middle class is not supporting independence.

    1) The people of Turbat, Gwadar and Panjgur (Where most Baloch middle class exist) are taking part in parliamentary politics and contributing in the development of their area.

    2) Middle class people of Naseer abad, Jafirabad, Jhal Magsi and Kachhi are contributing in development of Pakistan.

    3) The middle class of Noushki and Chagai is not taking part in freedom movement

    4) Although, some Baloch youth are fighting under leadership of Allah Nazar Baloch and many have Anti-Pakistan sentiments. But we can move forward for addressing Baloch problems.

    The people of Pakistan support Baloch people for their rights.

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  • Homa
    Aug 11, 2011 - 7:16PM

    @Deskmush–kudos to you! wise, compassionate and intelligent people like you will be the shining hope for a united global one-world family in the near future.

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  • Aug 11, 2011 - 11:05PM

    @andleeb:
    You must be kidding. Aren’t you?

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  • azaad
    Aug 11, 2011 - 11:13PM

    @Mujeeb Athangal: Which Support Pakistanis Gave To Baloch Except Calling Them Ignorant , Terrorists , Traitors And RAW/MOSAD Agents.???
    Not Only Baloch But Every1 Is Responsible For There Fate And In This You Pakistanis Are Even Worst Then Us.
    Whatever You Are Saying About Balochistan That Is Your Own Perception But That Is Not The Fact. If Freedom Lovers Would Be Less Then Today Your State Would Not Be Acting Like A Mad Elephant and Kidnapping , Torturing And Killing The Peaceful Political Workers Because These Cowards Can’t Reach The Sarmachars So they Take out Their Frustration And Anger Over Innocent , Unarmed People.

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  • KMR Overseas
    Aug 12, 2011 - 12:36AM

    @ Fahad Desmukh, well balanced article.
    Balochis eventually seperate out. That marks the end of Pakistan. Mark my word.
    Soon Americans going to have consulate in Quetta.

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  • Mujeeb Athangal
    Aug 12, 2011 - 2:36AM

    @Azaad
    I can understand your point of view. I think media can help to communicate and understand the feelings of each other. The gap of communication is the main cause of distraction.

    It is love, not gun, which can solve problems. I wish I can do something for Baloch brothers.

    Thanks

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  • Amir
    Aug 12, 2011 - 2:54AM

    @mind control: Dont you know East Pakistan’s (Bangladesh) population was much more than the entire West Pakistan’s (Pakistan) population all combined. And East Pakistan (Bangladesh) was surrounded by India on all sides, we didn’t even share a border with this small piece of land. Balochistan is totally different. It has the least population and much larger land and its connected to all the provinces of Pakistan. Pakistan can easily stop this Baloch movement. If worse comes to worse, it will be the Baloch who will lose all their people and become extinct. We have nuclear atomic bomb now, no way Pakistan can lose even an inch of this zameen.

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  • basharat
    Aug 12, 2011 - 7:04AM

    Some Baloch youths have become too much emotional without keeping in view the ultimate consequences. Murri, maingal nawabs, had reservations about political rights of balochi people, nevertheless they claimed complete provincial autonomy and control over natural resources of Balochistan while remaining within frame work of Pakistan Constitution.
    It is naive to suggest that Balochistan was a sovereign country, it was very much a part of British India and comprised of settled areas, directly ruled by britishers, and the indigenous states;
    like Bahawalpur, Kairpur etc., which were anexed to Pakistan as India had done with the states, situated within its territorial limits. Political wisdom demands that the people of Balochistan should struggle for their just and equitable rights within Pakistan. People of other
    provinces and ethencities, there is no doubt, will support them.

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  • Azeema
    Aug 12, 2011 - 8:54AM

    what is the status of Balochistan according to international law? I mean historically (before Annexation by Pakistan) were they a sovereign country (ie recognized by international body). If not, then they have a moral case only.. But like South Sudan, they could gain independence.

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  • SKChadha
    Aug 12, 2011 - 9:21AM

    As Pakistan is supporting J&K plebiscite/ succession, India should also openly support Baluchistan liberation movement at all levels.

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  • azaad
    Aug 12, 2011 - 12:21PM

    @Mujeeb Athangal: Thanx Dear ! Today We don’t want anything from Pakistani People But Justice And that is To Accept Your Mistakes Publicly and Stop The Blame Game.

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  • khan
    Aug 12, 2011 - 1:05PM

    Imagine a young and healthy woman who is forcibly married to a man who not only attempted to steal her jewellery but spent the next few decades repeatedly thrashing her, abusing her , humiliating her as a ‘second-class’ human and then demanding that she adopt the culture and customs of the husband’s kin.

    After years of savage mistreatment, can you blame her if she wants a divorce? (And, yes, there will always be a few of those ranting on about ‘the marital unity is forever’ and ‘over our dead bodies”)

    That my friends in the Balochistan problem in a proverbial nutshell.

    Can you really blame them?

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  • malik
    Aug 12, 2011 - 2:48PM

    @khan:

    Wrong analogy.

    Under the law she is married, her husband can divorce her in a jiffy, uttering those three magical words. But, she can’t ask for a divorce. Because, she is worth half of a man.

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  • khan
    Aug 12, 2011 - 4:34PM

    @malik
    To my mind only in an uncivilized society are women not allowed to ask for divorce or regarded as half a worth of man. Kind of sums up modern day Pakistan, doesn’t it?

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  • azaad
    Aug 12, 2011 - 5:22PM

    @malik:
    Dear ! She Can Ask For Khulaa ! and She Has This Right.

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  • Mujeeb Athangal
    Aug 12, 2011 - 10:11PM

    Today, main problem of Balochistan is law and order situation. First, we should have to improve law and order situation. Then we can move forward for prosperous and developed Balochistan.

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  • mind control
    Aug 13, 2011 - 12:52AM

    @Amir
    Pakistan can easily stop this Baloch movement. If worse comes to worse, it will be the Baloch who will lose all their people and become extinct.
    Ah! At least an honest final solution.Wasn’t operation ‘Searchlight’ also based on the same principles?
    We have nuclear atomic bomb now, no way Pakistan can lose even an inch of this zameen.
    To begin with, Nuclear weapons could not prevent the break up of the USSR. And then, if use your ‘aitum bums’, what will you do with the ‘radioactive zameen’?
    Moderator ET- If you can live with nuclear ethnic evaporation, you certainly should be able to survive my response.Recommend

  • azaad
    Aug 13, 2011 - 5:04AM

    @Mujeeb Athangal:
    Sorry ! I Disagree. Law And Order Situation Can’t Be Made Better Until And Unless UN Or USA Interrupts And Acts As A Middle Man In Negotiation Between Pakistan And Baloch Freedom Fighters.

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  • Muhammad Haris Ansari
    Aug 14, 2011 - 1:57AM

    @ nate gupta and vicram singh: wake up before ur artificial monstrosity named india breaks up. u will find it difficult to learn the names of new capitals of independent Nagaland and Assam

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  • Mujeeb Athangal
    Aug 14, 2011 - 4:03AM

    I think Baloch freedom fighting leaders (except Dr Allah Nazar Baloch) will deceive freedom fighters, like 1970s because they (leaders) are fighting for their own interests.

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  • Baloch
    Aug 14, 2011 - 5:08AM

    I Don’t have words to praise the Brave Writer And This Bold article. I just Pray For the Safety Of Author And Salute Him. Great Work

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  • Uniojack
    Aug 14, 2011 - 6:51AM

    @Muhammad Haris Ansari: You prove your fear very very effectively. Your insecurity speaks louder in the form of your wish list that India will break up , while the reality is Pakistan had split once before in 1971 if you know what I am talking about and soon about to split again with Balochistan as a new country. And this is not in my wish list that Pakistan breaks, I have no reason and it does not even makes sense how you breaking up is going to help us. More or less if there is a free Balochistan you will only increase your hatred towards India. Cause anything bad happens to you , you like to blame India. Even things like tea spill in your house you would blame India. You guys have been so lost in hating India that you lost Bangladesh. It was your negligence and attrocities that broke Bangladesh away from you and you are very much on brink of repeating the past mistake. People like this author here are still a ray of hope which can hold Balochistan and Pakistan as same nation. Listen to him, work with him, he is your own. t will sadden him and hurt him as much as t will hurt you if Balochistan breaks away. He is just asking for empathy from you people not criticism. We Indians and Pakistanis so much like to hear everything is good with us that as soon as anybody give us some fair advice we start abusing him or her. So my brother keep your wish list close to your heart but listen to what the author is saying. He is speaking for your own good atleast learn to see your own good.

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  • azaad
    Aug 14, 2011 - 10:51AM

    @Mujeeb Athangal:
    May Be You Are Right But Now Baloch Struggle Does Not Depend On Leaders Solely. No Matter They Leave The Struggle And Make Deal With Pakistan But The People Who Are Fighting And Those Who Lost Their Loved Ones They Will Not Stop.

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  • Mujeeb Athangal
    Aug 14, 2011 - 5:50PM

    @Azaad
    The Baloch separatists have killed 11 innocent people. In this way, they are serving Baloch people by killing Baloch people. Therefore, they will not be condemned in Balochistan. For this effort, I appreciate Baloch separatists.

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  • MAD
    Aug 15, 2011 - 9:51AM

    Well it is an open secret that if all non-Baloch were to leave Balochistan these nutcases would probably kill each other.

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  • azaad
    Aug 15, 2011 - 2:25PM

    @Mujeeb Athangal:
    Dear There Are Chances Of Mistakes And There Are Misunderstandings Even in Largest Organisations Of The World. So May Be 11 Innocent People Have been Killed But To Save 11,00000 People I guess We Can Give This Sacrifice.

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  • Mujeeb Athangal
    Aug 15, 2011 - 7:50PM

    @Azaad
    How beautifully you are defending the killing of innocent labourers. Wow

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  • azaad
    Aug 16, 2011 - 1:10AM

    @Mujeeb Athangal:
    I Didn’t Defend Them I Just Said Mistakes Are Made By Humans And Freedom Fighters Are Also Human Not Angels Who Are Free From Sins.

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  • MAD
    Aug 16, 2011 - 9:54AM

    @azaad:

    If they’re all like you then i suppose genocide is justified in this case.

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  • Conrad
    Aug 25, 2011 - 3:32AM

    A fundamental difficulty inevitably arises when we speak of the natural right of self determination.

    Who holds that right? How many people are required to bestow that right to them?
    Can a village claim that right? A city? A people within a province, or beyond the province?
    Is it a matter of numbers, or religion, or ethnicity?
    It is easy to point out that Pakistan, Bangladesh and most post-colonial states have borders that were defined by foreign powers, far away, and have little semblance of order when we examine geographies, ethnicities, clan/tribal loyalties, religion, etc.

    At its most fundamental level, the right of self determination is individul, but for governance to exist (assuming anarchy is not a viable status quo), there is a need to have effective community representation, and most communities define themselves, as they share cultural, economic or other basic interests.

    This is a formiddable riddle, not just for Pakistan, but for every state where populations are not homogeneous.
    I pray Pakistan will find is way to a tolerant and peaceful democracy, before its ills plunge it irrevocably into a self destructive vortex of violence.
    But I wouldn’t bet on it.

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  • Conrad
    Aug 25, 2011 - 3:35AM

    A fundamental difficulty inevitably arises when we speak of the natural right of self determination.

    Who holds that right? How many people are required to bestow that right to them?
    Can a village claim that right? A city? A people within a province, or beyond the province?
    Is it a matter of numbers, or religion, or ethnicity?
    It is easy to point out that Pakistan, Bangladesh and most post-colonial states have borders that were defined by foreign powers, far away, and have little semblance of order when we examine geographies, ethnicities, clan/tribal loyalties, religion, etc.

    At its most fundamental level, the right of self determination is individual, but for governance to exist (assuming anarchy is not a viable status quo), there is a need to have effective community representation, and most communities define themselves, as they share cultural, economic or other basic interests.

    This is a formiddable riddle, not just for Pakistan, but for every state where populations are not homogeneous.
    I pray Pakistan will find is way to a tolerant and peaceful democracy, before its ills plunge it irrevocably into a self destructive vortex of violence.
    But I wouldn’t bet on it.

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