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I never really cared for Ahmadis

Published: June 15, 2010

The writer is a columnist and TV and radio anchor (fasi.zaka@tribune.com.pk)

I have never really been vocal about rights for Ahmadis, even privately, but my compassion trigger is easily pulled if there are atrocities against Pakistani Hindus and Christians. Part of this can be ascribed to my belief in the prejudice that the Ahmadis are a relatively well-off community, making the Christians and Hindus of Pakistan uniquely guilty of a double crime, first for not being Muslims and second for being poor. These two communities seem especially vulnerable.

I have changed my mind. And it’s not because of the attack in Lahore that killed so many Ahmadis. The whole country, Muslim and non-Muslim, is under attack by the Taliban.

What really helped me see the inhuman treatment of the Ahmadis in Pakistan is the absence of condemnation for it. Nawaz Sharif in his condolence message said Ahmadis were our brothers; it’s been enough to get the Pakistani religious world on his case. While sympathy is not outlawed for Ahmadis, it may as well be.

Those of us with a passport have declared that “I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani to be an impostor prophet and an infidel and also consider his followers, whether belonging to the Lahori, Qadiani or Mirzai groups, to be non-Muslims.” Most of us do not believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was a prophet, but do we have to rub it in? Imagine if the UK put in that sort of column for a prophet of another faith.

We have declared not just that we don’t believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, but added the connotation that he was an imposter. People who follow imposters must be crooks, right? Let’s stop the pretence that they are equal, or human.

But no, we are a peaceful people, right? Of course we are. I read a very poignant anecdote in columnist Mosharraf Zaidi’s article recently; he described how an old friend would never say salaam to him in return. His friend is an Ahmadi, he can go to jail for that. I cringe when I see Pakistanis stumbling over one another to felicitate a white westerner who chooses to say salaam when greeting us in our country. Why not put him in jail too? He could be an atheist, whereas at least the Ahmadis believe in the oneness of God.

But, you see it’s not about that. Ahmadis are a secretive people up to no good. They won’t even tell you they are Ahmadis. But who wouldn’t be secretive if they could go to jail for saying they are Muslim, or responding in kind to a salutation of salaam. Or for that matter having a Quran in their home, the same kind you and I have.

Sunnis don’t believe in the imam of the Shias. What about Barelvis and Bohris? Its time their special treatment ended. If anything we have been too moderate. We need to cut diplomatic relations with Indonesia because they refuse to declare Ahmadis non-Muslim as it may open a Pandora’s Box of declaring other groups the same. Why is the amir of the Jamaat-i-Islami, Munawar Hassan, silent on this? He could address this diplomatic issue, after all he did want to cut off diplomatic relations with many countries over the Facebook fiasco.

Pakistani Ahmadis aren’t allowed to go for Hajj, but Ahmadis from other countries are. Maybe we should cut off relations with Saudi Arabia too. Also, since we Muslims believe in equality, I would suggest all non-Muslim countries make it mandatory that we wear special collars to identify us as Muslim when we visit. Or is that going too far since we haven’t, obviously, in the case of the Ahmadis?

The truth is the bulk of this country doesn’t like Ahmadis. They are Pakistan’s Palestinians. Their humane treatment and acceptance
will decide whether we are a people who can move forward in the future, or if we will become a fragmented warlord state divided on sectarian lines.

And yes, Ahmadis are worse off in Pakistan than Christians and Hindus. We want to forcibly convert Christians and Hindus. But Ahmadis shouldn’t exist. Period.

Published in the Express Tribune, June 15th, 2010.

Reader Comments (196)

  • PJ
    Jun 18, 2010 - 2:43PM

    You;re awesome Michael MooreRecommend

  • Jawaid Iqbal
    Jun 18, 2010 - 5:58PM

    Bravo. It is the nice article. I would like to mention that besides minorities in Pakistan, Shia Muslims, are being on the main traget of these terrorists.Recommend

  • Faisal Memon
    Jun 19, 2010 - 12:10AM

    It is sad that ahmedi responses have used the word ‘maulvi’ in a derogatory manner as ‘mullahs’, not to mention the adjectives that preceed! It is because ahmedis think we consider them non-muslims because of some screwed up logic being fed to us by the ‘mullahs’. Perhaps this is what they are told.

    The exclusion of ahmedis as non-muslims is unanimous decision of learned Islamic scholars around the world ( and not your ‘neighbourhood mullahs’ )after thorough research of Mirza Sahib’s writings. The fact that no other muslim sect has been declared so unanimously reflects the extremely divergent views of the Ahmadiyyah community that places them out of Islamic bounds.

    Further if the exclusion of ahmedis as non-muslims is so concerning, it should be known that Mirza Sahib declared ( and ahmedis believe) non-ahmedis to be non-muslims. I quote from an ahmedi source, from the book ‘the truth about the split’:

    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf
    (pg.70&71 by acrobat count and 56&57 by book count)

    “Alleged Innovations –

    These changes, according to Maulawi Muhammad Ali, relate to three matters;
    (1)….
    (2)……
    (3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his (Mirza Sahib’s) Bai‘at formally, wherever they may be, are kuffar and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiaha (Mirza Sahib).

    That these beliefs have my full concurrence, I (the 2nd ahmedi caliph) readily admit ”

    It is clear beyond any iota of doubt that one who does not belief in Prophethood of Mr.Mirza is a non-muslim.

    I don’t see how we could be discriminating against ahmedis when they declared us non-muslims categorically some 80 years before the parliament resolution declaring them so! We’ve been a bit late I suppose!

    Further, it seems Fasi Zaka has penned the article in a haste, without researching into ahmedi beliefs or verifying the mentioned facts. Various mistakes have been pointed out by responders which do not reflect positively on the reputation of Mr.Fasi. Further, corrections of fact should be made in the article itself rather than the comments that follow, which serve no purpose (as not everyone reads them!).

    I suggest Fasi should research into ahmedi beliefs to realize the gravity of the problem and how ahmedis ‘Impersonating’ muslims and preaching under the facade of Islam poses a grave threat considering the illiteracy of muslim masses.

    Much more can be said but time does not permit me to do so.

    The attacks are condemnable and they deserve their rights but they should realize their responsibilities too, but lets keep it at that. Period.Recommend

  • Faisal Memon
    Jun 19, 2010 - 1:30AM

    In skimming through various comments, I noticed that most innocent ahmedis are unaware of their own religious scriptures, including writings of Mirza Sahib and the following caliphs.

    It is their ignorance that prompted ahmedi leadership to publish a leaflet titled ‘ aik khalati ka izala’ (A misconception removed) in which ahmedis were rebuked for their ignorance of the fact that Mirza Sahib claimed to be a non-law bearing Prophet.

    I quote from an Ahmedi source:

    “As for ourselves,we believe in the prophethood of the Promised
    Messiahas in the same sense in which he himself
    claimed the title. In the notice named Eik Ghalati Ka
    Izala published by the Promised Messiahas, he says,
    ‘In all my writings wherein I have denied being a
    Nabi or a Rasul, I have done in the sense that I have
    not brought any new book, nor was I a new
    substantive Prophet. Nevertheless, as I had received
    spiritual blessing from my leader the Holy Prophetsa
    and been given his name, and been gifted by God with
    knowledge of future events. I was indeed a Rasul and
    Nabi though without a new law. I have never denied
    being a Nabi of the latter kind, and since it was in this
    sense that I was called a Nabi and Rasul by God, I do
    not even now deny being called Nabi and Rasul in
    such a sense’.”

    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf
    page 43 of book by acrobat count & 3o by book count

    As is evident the writing is deliberately confusing, as is the case with all ahmedi writings for evident reasons.

    Bottomline : he claimed to be a Prophet, no matter of whatever type (law bearing or non-law bearing) and that makes him an impostor.

    It is incomprehensible how he claimed to be a non-law bearing prophet (not that it matters, for reasons aforementioned) while also claiming to have received revelations which a non-law bearing Prophet would not. If he wasn’t supposed to bring a ‘new law’ what about the dozen or so books he’s written prescribing new heavenly laws?

    My response was necessary, although seemingly out of context, to correct misstatements of facts published by some respondents.Recommend

  • Taha khan
    Jun 19, 2010 - 6:47AM

    well! i donot think what M.R FASI had sid is true.Ahmeddis are considered non-muslims in pakistan bcz constitution of 1973 says that.Prophet Muhammad{S.A.W} said that no one will come after him as prophet ,there were impostor prophets after him desmise and there amoung most famous is Ghulam ahmed.Qadiani’s are considered non-muslims because they have gone contrary to one of the basic teachings of islam i.e believe in Muhammad (S.A.W)as last prophet.ghulam ahmed himself said that he is self planted plant of british and said that the peace that is under british govt is more than that in makkah(naouzubillah).And where this thing is considered why shia’s and borhi’s are not considered non-muslims, their teachings donot go contrary to basic teachings of Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W).Recommend

  • Sadia Ali
    Jun 19, 2010 - 9:09AM

    Great article. I agree with u FasiRecommend

  • Hamza Baloch
    Jun 19, 2010 - 12:42PM

    Faisal Memon

    good reseach bro… keep it up.

    few people are ignorance and few peopel still want to remain ignorant.Recommend

  • Jun 19, 2010 - 12:47PM

    May Allah hearts be opened to understand and accept true peaceful Islam Ahmadiyyat. Ameen.
    Love for All, Hatred for None.
    God is Love, God is peace
    Love can never beget Hatred
    and peace can never lead to war.Recommend

  • Zeeshan Azam
    Jun 19, 2010 - 1:12PM

    Who’s next is my question.Recommend

  • Zara Akhtar
    Jun 19, 2010 - 5:14PM

    Ahmadis have been declared “minority” by the constitution of Pakistan and as a result they should be treated as other minorities present in the country!Recommend

  • Nusrat Pasha
    Jun 19, 2010 - 8:35PM

    There are some very pertinent questions that need to be examined before indulging in any meaningful debate regarding Ahmadis. Let’s examine these questions one by one:

    Q#1: Is it even hypothetically, within the scope of a congregation of mortals to judge who is truly a Muslim and who is not?

    A#1: No. It is not.

    Q#2: By definition, who is a “Muslim” and how does the founder of Islam address this question?

    A#2: On the occasion of the first census of Madina, the question of how to determine who a Muslim was, came up. The Prophet replied, “Write down for me the names of all those who call themselves “Muslim”. The Holy Prophet defined the term “Muslim” also in these words: “He who prays as we do, and adopts our qibla as his and partakes of animals sacrificed by us, he indeed is a Muslim, guaranteed by Allah and His Messenger.[Ref: Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim].

    Q#3: Do Ahmadis call themselves Muslim?

    A#3: Yes, they do.

    Q#4: (a) Do Ahmadis offer the five-time prayers in precisely the same way as determined by the Quran and Sunnah? (b) Do Ahmadis take the Kaaba in Makkah as their qibla while praying? (c) Do Ahmadis partake of animals slaughtered by Muslims?

    A#4: The answer to subquestions (a), (b) and (c) is “Yes”.

    Q#5: What is the kalima of the Ahmadis?

    A#5: “Laa ilaaha illallahu Muhammadur rasoolullah”.

    Q#6: In a single sentence, what is the primary doctrinal difference between Ahmadis and non-Ahmadis?

    A#6: Ahmadis believe that the prophecy made by the Holy Prophet regarding the advent of the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, has been fullfilled in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (1835 – 1908). Non-Ahmadis believe that this prophecy still awaits fullfillment.Recommend

  • HAKEEM JAMIL RABWAH
    Jun 19, 2010 - 10:49PM

    Thanks For Honest.I am thank,s Fasi Zaka for his well written article.Recommend

  • Ansa
    Jun 20, 2010 - 6:04AM

    @Iffat Rahim — Actually Ahmadis with citizenship of other countries, even if they’re born in Pakistan, DO go to Hajj. But yes it is dangerous because if they somehow track the records and find out this person is Ahmadi, they are sent to jail/killed. However, Ahmadis, not only with a Pakistani background, all over the world go for Hajj because they don’t have the kind of passports created in ignorance in Pakistan that states the person is a Non-Muslim.

    This article is a great article and sheds light on one of the biggest inhumanities Pakistan allows to happen.
    Fasi Zaka, people like you give me hope!Recommend

  • chicken-salad
    Jun 20, 2010 - 6:24AM

    Well done Mr. Shafi … Buhat aala boy!!!Recommend

  • Jun 20, 2010 - 6:25AM

    First thanks to Fasi Zaka at least having courage to write on this hot issue. I also would like to add that it is so unfortunate that certain channels in Pakistan are vocally and openly expressing wrong and concocted views about Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. It is so unfortunate that Kamran Shahid of Express News even plainly refused after contacting Ahmadis that he would like to get their view point as well,giving flimsy excuse that PEMRA has issued order that no Ahmadiyya point of view should be broadcasted. When contacted PEMRA General Manager Nasir Ayaz he disputed this claim. I personally believe that PEMRA may not have issued such notification however, the bigotry by Express News and their anchor persons Kamran Shahid and Mubashr Lucman for not inviting Ahmadis to express their view point is tentamount to support extremism and extremist views. Luckily Ahmadiyya Muslim Community publishes all their material at their official website http://www.alislam.org
    Otherwise these extremist Mullahs have gone to extent to change their own Islamic beliefs of the second coming of Messiah just like Jews did at the time of First Messiah Jesus peace be on him. Again kudos to Fasi that he has courage to speak up. God bless you!Recommend

  • ali jivan
    Jun 20, 2010 - 7:09AM

    i dont think any of the above pakistanis r serious about solving their problems ..first u classify u r self as ultra -consevatives n moderates n liberals ..wat baloney is this u have no ultraconservatives just people who follow the wahabi r najdi school of thought who r committing these crimes…when an ideology cannot stand upto reason it uses conspiracy theories n force just brutal force..u flks need to get out of a state of denial n agree tht as long as u have the dar-ul-uloom deoband churning out extremists ..ths nation is a doomed stateRecommend

  • Usama Waheed
    Jun 20, 2010 - 8:11AM

    Fasi Bhai thanks a lot for the sympathy you showed towards us. because media really don’t care about us. some people like you and Mubashar Lucman care for us so we are really greatful.
    RegardsRecommend

  • Mumtaz Butt
    Jun 20, 2010 - 5:17PM

    Some people have suggested that if Ahmadis cannot live by the laws of the state then they should leave the country. But a more appropriate question to them is that if another country of the world decides to declare its Muslim residents as non muslims, because all they see originating from Islamic countries is life of absolute contradiction to Islamic teachings (Muslims wine and dine, they lie, they are corrupt, they have no respect for others rights and sentiments, they kill and maim a fellow living being, etc. etc.) would they then be fair in doing so – because the precedence exists that a state can decide religion for its citizens?Recommend

  • Nusrat Pasha
    Jun 20, 2010 - 10:13PM

    If the Pakistan Army can boast about a general who fought on the frontline, alongside the soldiers and sustained serious battle wounds – they have Major General Nasir Chaudhry.

    If the Pakistan Army can boast about their one and only general who laid down his life in actual combat – they have Major General Iftikhar Janjua.

    Both were Ahmadis.Recommend

  • Arif
    Jun 21, 2010 - 3:14PM

    Religion belongs to Men not to Soil, Land, State. A state, of course, have no religion.So called mullah has made it(Islam) their bread earning way instaed of representing Islam’s true beauty. They are a symbol of horror,terror,all evil deeds.
    ArifRecommend

  • Nash
    Jun 21, 2010 - 7:33PM

    Asalam Alaikum,
    i am so glad that as a convert to islam, Allah’s Grace directed me to Ahmaddiyat after reading some of the 170 comments above. Mr Ahmad seriously needs to look beyond his propogated outlook in order to get balanced perspective on how the world will be viewing the inactions of the Pakistani government, the bigoted views above and the decency of the response from the Pakistani Ahmadis. You just have to read the words of Iffat Rahim who himself appears to be the “knee jerk reactionary”.
    Non Ahmadis must seriously examine their stance on what is happening in Pakistan as they are equally accountable for injustices of the state. Remember your justifications for allowing such attrocities toi carry on are the same justifications that are used by any bigoted, prejudiced, racist community anywhere in the world and yet we muslims are to be the best of mankind!!
    i say well done Mr Fasi Zaka for being human and being closer to God for highlighting eloquently the plight of the oppressed.

    WassalamRecommend

  • farhan
    Jun 21, 2010 - 8:02PM

    Very well said, Fasi.
    Whatever your belief is, if you are Pakistani, you are our brother and our sister.
    Say no to hatred culture!Recommend

  • Ray
    Jun 21, 2010 - 10:05PM

    I agree the last thing this country needs is another sub group who is highly educated and organized to hate us.
    It is inhumane the way we treat Ahmadi ‘s in Pakistan. It is about time that our do nothing legislatures and impotent leaders take out that crappy language out of the passports and everywhere else.
    Ahmadi ‘s has contributed a lot to development of Pakistan and they are model citizens in every country they live in and despite coming from backward classes they always rise to the top.
    I am surprised why Canada has not offered citizenship as it did for Agha Khani ‘s when they were thrown out of Uganda.Recommend

  • zahid sheikh
    Jun 22, 2010 - 3:11AM

    Fasi Zaka! You are really great. Iffat Rahim’s pun has in fact added salt to the already smarting wound of the prejudiced. Just yesterday I heard someone saying that The Express Tribune hasn’t actually taken off. What a shallow comment. This august newspaper is really ahead of the pack. It has in reality done with ease what others have been able to do but halfheartedly i.e. to speak the truth. Listening to your Honoured Editor Ziauddin in a CNBC TV show about Shaheed Benazir arguing with a Mullah on abolishing even the Islamic parts of the amendments in the Constitution was just inspiring. Those having reservations about Ahmadis have in actuality been jolted by Fasih Zaka but not the likes of Yankees and Akmals.Recommend

  • Mumtaz Butt
    Jun 22, 2010 - 6:27AM

    I have a question for Mr. Faisal Memon and the like minded people, can someone explain to me what will be the status of Hadhrat Masih (Jesus) (Allah’s blessings on him) as is awaited by non-ahmadi muslims at the time of his second advent? Will he not be a nabi who will come after Prophet Mohammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah on him) or Na-Azoobillah Min zalik he will be demoted from that status. Secondly, according to the laws of Pakistan even if he came he will be outcasted from Islam as the laws of Pakistan declare such a person to be an impostor and hence deserving of death? I would like someone to please explain this to me.Recommend

  • Umair bin Mansoor
    Jun 22, 2010 - 2:14PM

    I think we all believe in Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). So, let us start reading it now and pray that Allah put us all on the right path. As for the writer, I would say that he is oblivious totally devoid of what Allah has mentioned in Quran.Recommend

  • Kashif
    Jun 22, 2010 - 4:07PM

    @ Farah Akhtar, Iffat Raheem, Tabrez Durrani, Faisal Memon and the likes of you guys…..

    I would recommend you to watch the video on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X01htQUvKcQ&feature=player_embedded where Mullahs are calling each other (apart from Ahmadis) as Kafirs, Wajibul Qatl and much more. These things incite nothing but hatred and result in riots and killings in the name of religion.

    I think we should stick to the definition of a Muslim given by the Holy Prophet instead of issuing certificates of Mussalmaniyat ourselves based on any other definition.Recommend

  • Narejo
    Jun 22, 2010 - 4:32PM

    Excellent work sir..Recommend

  • Faisal Memon
    Jun 23, 2010 - 7:48PM

    @ Mumtaz Butt
    @ Kashif

    The phrase ‘like-minded’ used by you to categorically define ‘those who politely disagree with your beliefs’ reflects your inherent narrow mindedness and unwillingness to enter into a debate based purely on merits. This should not be a surprise knowing that Mirza Sahib and subsequent ahmedi caliphs consistently declined debate invitations by learned Muslim scholars. One more fact i guess of which your unaware!

    It seems from the comments above that innocent mislead ahmedis are grossly unaware of the writings of Mirza Sahib and continue to claim belief in the finality of Prophethood, when infact Mirza Sahib has himself presented a totally distorted and opposite view of the matter (refer to my comment above).

    As regard the return of Hadrat Issa(AS), both Mumtaz and Kashif have relied on what ahmedi preachers tell them about ‘us’ and then present it as an argument, rather than doing some research on actual muslim beliefs.

    Let it be known that

    Blockquote

    HADRAT ISSA(AS) WILL RETURN AS A NORMAL HUMAN BEING FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD(AS) AND WILL NOT BE A PROPHET IN ANY CAPACITY.

    Blockquote

    Further my comments above are supported by ahmedi sources alone, and I suggest you read your own books thoroughly rather than quoting your beliefs incorrectly. (@Nusrat Pasha: read my comments above)Recommend

  • Irfan
    Jun 24, 2010 - 12:00AM

    @Iffat Rahim….Pakistani Ahmedies and all those ahmedies who do not have their religion written as ahmadi on passports are not allowed to go for Hajj but from other countries where the religion is not written can go…i fail to understand how the writer has managed to mix facts with fiction… And secondly would you really call someone’s sympathy from the heart a knee jerk reaction and a fabrication. And also calling someone’s sympathy as crap and twisted is very sad indeed.
    @Yankee: it is true and very sad what you have said that many sects and minorities have been attacked. Extremists will not stop unless their brand is imposed on everyone but the case of ahmadies is slightly different as their persecution has been made legal through bigoted laws set in the constitution and their throats have been clamped down. Others such as deobandies and shia can have large annual conferences but every year ahmadies take permission and it always no one ever pays attention to this. Also many murders of ahmadies have occurred since 1954 but they usually go unnoticed as well.
    Hope i’ve removed a few misconcenceptions.Recommend

  • Jun 24, 2010 - 12:25AM

    There’s nothing left to say. You’ve summed up my feelings on everything! I agree 110%.Recommend

  • Mumtaz Butt
    Jun 24, 2010 - 7:36AM

    @Faisal Sb: Jazak’Allah for your very enlightened opinion and you call us narrow minded. You have quoted a source that you believe as correct, however, you have not answered my question – what will be the status of Hadhrat Isaa (as) when he returns. If he is going to return as a ‘normal person’ then he would be stripped of prophethood, how unfortunate – he must have done something to offend Allah to be demoted. But then why do we need him? Don’t we have enough normal human beings as Islamic scholars to carry that burden for Islam unless you don’t consider them normal? Please open your mind, the prophecy of Hadhrat Mohammad (saw) is that of a nabi because Islam and Muslims would have reached the same state as the people of Prophet Moses (as) did when Hadhrat Isaa (as) came as a deliverer to those people. A nabi is needed to bring Islam back to its original form, without bringing any change to or any new shariat – this deed cannot be carried out by a normal human being. I would suggest you discuss this matter with your local maulvi sahib that you can trust and talk to. Good LuckRecommend

  • MNA
    Jun 24, 2010 - 1:51PM

    A good article which has also received an excellent response. This is to clarify what Iffat Rahim has said about Ahmadies being not allowed from Pakistan while Ahmadies from other countries are. Well it is only in Pakistan that to apply for a Hajj visa you need to sign a lot of forms. In those countries where passports do not have a column for religion no declaration is required. Neither does the Saudi Embassies ask for any such declaration.Recommend

  • Aitch
    Jun 24, 2010 - 5:52PM

    Phenomenal writing power Fasi. But about what you wrote, I’m sure you could write an article as convincing to contradict your point of view. The fact remains, ‘where there is smoke, there must be fire’Recommend

  • Irfan Aarif
    Jun 26, 2010 - 1:29PM

    Faisal memon: Yes the Ahmdies have been declared non-muslims by those scholars who could not agree on the definition to a muslim as stated in the munir report despite clear hadees, which have been stated in earlier comments, and also the same people who did not even bother to disclose the proceedings in the national assembly while this decision was taking place.Once a member of the national assembly was asked why they were not published to expose the falsehoods of the Ahmadiyya muslim community the member laughingly replied because if it were published half of the country would become ahmadies. Secondly if you think we avoid debates look in the book Anjam Atham by the Promised messiah where he has named 50 scholars of the time and challenged them to a mubahila bet you were misinfromed on that despite thorough study of his writings, as you claim.
    Now coming to the quotations i’ll answer the second one first as it is an age old accusation. You fond this confusing because the book from where you quote was meant for those who actually have some background knowledge of this issue. We believe the Promised messiah as a prophet in the sense the Holy prophet(SAW) stated 4 times and that is nabiAllah Isaa (Sahih muslim baab zikar Dajjal). In another hadees in the Mishkat (don’t know the exact wordings) the coming Messiah has been called an ummati. In accordance with these ahadith we believe him to have attained this station by complete obedience to the Holyprophet(SAW) hence the reason the HolyProphet(SAW) is Khatamunnabiyyin and his teachings are complete. Khatam meaning not the last but a seal as that is on an envelope. read next comment…Recommend

  • Mehmood
    Jun 26, 2010 - 3:24PM

    Fasi you have deboloped a good art of writting with time and Mashallah your fame is devoloping day by day.

    I appreciate your concern for minorities rights but also highligh the fact that the said Community is doing so much to make our muslims Mrtaid by offering them money and immigration. Many yahud and Nasara groups sponsor these groups and they never leave any chance to create bloodshed of our Society. Who can forget the shahdat of Many great great muslim scholars like Molana Nizamud din Shamzai and other.

    This communty has alot of powefull links in the worlds super powers and also in Pakistani top Buriocracy. Who can forget state within state at chanbnagar.

    MehmoodRecommend

  • Touseef Ahmad
    Jun 28, 2010 - 6:18AM

    Very well said Fasi Zaka… At least you have the courage to speak the truth…Recommend

  • ahmed
    Jun 30, 2010 - 1:28AM

    truely saidRecommend

  • Muzaffar Ahmad
    Jul 1, 2010 - 11:46PM

    The comment from Mr. Ahmad was a balanced one highlighting the weaker points in the article. The article wasn’t bad either, just shows a little ignorance which we all have when we talk about someone; we never put our feet inside their shoes.Recommend

  • Reader
    Jul 6, 2010 - 1:48PM

    so Ahmedis dont get passports or what?Recommend

  • Dr. Fakhr-ul-Islam
    Jul 6, 2010 - 3:09PM

    I think Fasih wrote this article in total disregard for Pakistani Constitution. I advise him not to confuse the issue with Talibanization. It is purely legal and constitutional issue. Additionally, Qadianis are citizens of this country, they should not be subjected to persecution(If any)Recommend

  • Sharmeen
    Jul 8, 2010 - 9:05AM

    @ Shahid and others- Someone has mentioned before but again I would like to clarify that your comment ‘Ahmadis think that “RABWA” is the holiest place on earth’ is absolutely incorrect! Rabwa has no profound religious meaning for ahmadis. We ahmadis believe in/follow the five pillars of Islam including Hajj (that is if we are not stopped by oppressive rules of a country such as Pakistan).

    I read these comments and mostly feel glad that people are speaking up for humanity at least, but still see a lot of misconceptions that tell me there’s still far to go! Please I request you all to not believe whatever anyone tells you about the Ahmadiyya faith, but verify for yourself so you do not dwell on suspicions and rumours. You may contact a local Ahmadi mosque and someone will be able to answer your questions InshAllah.

    And lastly, if you really have the guts:)…pray to Allah to know the truth or do an istikhara as he is All-Knowing.i would end this with the Ahmadiyya motto: Love for all, hatred for none! (Exactly the message our Perfect Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) practised when he treated the people of other faiths, race, country etc with utmost mercy and kindness).

    Jazakamullah!
    An Ahmadi MuslimRecommend

  • Doll
    Jul 10, 2010 - 9:32AM

    @ FASI

    Please write a new column!!!!Recommend

  • USMAn
    Jul 12, 2010 - 3:50PM

    for better and true information visit
    http://www.khatm-e-nubuwwat.orgRecommend

  • Talha
    Jul 21, 2010 - 1:57AM

    Awesome article, we need a few more people like you in our society!Recommend

  • Kashif
    Aug 15, 2010 - 3:39AM

    I think the writer has used more emotions than facts in describing the situaution, It would be much better if he could be more realistic and unbiased in wriiting on thes touchy topicsRecommend

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