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Davis is CIA contractor: US sources
Raymond Davis' duties were essentially as a bodyguard, he previously worked for Xe Services, say US officials.
British newspaper The Guardian claims Raymond Davis is a CIA operative. PHOTO: FILE
ISLAMABAD: Raymond Davis is employed by the CIA as a contractor but was not involved in covert operations, US sources closely following the case said on Monday.
Davis, who is being held in a Lahore jail amid a tense US-Pakistan diplomatic dispute over whether he has diplomatic immunity, was working as a “protective officer,” the sources said.
Davis’ duties as a protective officer — essentially a bodyguard — were to provide physical security to US Embassy and consular officers, as well as visiting American dignitaries, US officials who declined to be identified told Reuters.
The officials strongly denied news reports alleging Davis was part of a covert CIA-led team of operatives conducting surveillance on militant groups in Pakistan. The officials insisted Davis was not part of any undercover operations team.
Two US sources familiar with the matter confirmed to Reuters that Davis, a former member of the US Special Forces, had previously worked on contract as a security officer for Xe Services, a controversial private contractor formerly known as Blackwater.
Asked during a conference call with reporters about a link between Davis and the CIA, US State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley declined to comment.
“We will not comment on his particular activity in Pakistan other than to say he is a member of the administrative and technical staff of the embassy and has diplomatic immunity.”
“Certain Pakistani officials have proclaimed his guilt before any legal proceeding has reached a conclusion. That’s not the way the rule of law should work in that country or elsewhere,” a US official said.
“Davis is a protective officer, someone who provides security to US officials in Pakistan. Rumors to the contrary are simply wrong,” the official added.
Earlier today, AFP quoted a Pakistani intelligence official as saying that Davis is an undercover CIA contractor.
“It is beyond any shadow of a doubt that he was working for CIA,” an official from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency told AFP on condition of anonymity.
“He’s on contract. He’s not a regular CIA guy, but he’s working for CIA. That’s confirmed,” the Pakistani official said.
Pakistan’s powerful intelligence services and military have been angered by accusations that they support Taliban and al Qaeda-linked networks fighting US troops in Afghanistan, and need to do more to eliminate militants.
Few in Pakistan believe Davis, who reportedly worked for a security contractor and had a background in US Special Forces, is a regular diplomat.
Police told AFP they recovered a Glock pistol, four loaded magazines, a GPS navigation system and a small telescope from his car, after the shooting on a busy street in Lahore on January 27.
A third Pakistani was struck down and killed by a US diplomatic vehicle that came to Davis’s assistance. US officials denied Pakistan access to the vehicle and the occupants are widely believed to have left the country.
Washington insists that Raymond Davis, who says he acted in self-defence, is a member of its Islamabad embassy’s “administrative and technical staff” who has diplomatic immunity and should be released immediately.
But the unpopular government in Pakistan is under huge pressure from the political opposition not to cave in to US demands, with analysts even warning that the case could bring down the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP).
Washington has postponed a round of talks with Afghanistan and Pakistan, but Islamabad has said the matter is before the courts, although one compromise would be for the families to pardon Davis, in keeping with Islamic law.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani told the lower house on Monday that he was confident “that both the Pakistani and the US governments will not allow the Davis case to come in the way of mutually beneficial partnership”.
He said Pakistan was mindful of its international obligations under the Vienna Convention and other agreements.
But he added: “I want to assure this house and the nation that my government will not compromise on Pakistan’s sovereignty and dignity. We are a responsible government and conscious of the sentiments of our people.”
On Monday, a judge at the Lahore High Court ordered the government to appear on March 14 to respond to private petitions related to Davis’ incarceration, the law on diplomatic privileges.
The court last week deferred any judgement on whether Davis has diplomatic immunity and gave the foreign ministry until March 14 to determine his status.
US Senator John Kerry visited Pakistan last week to express regret and say Davis would face a criminal investigation at home, but hopes for a swift resolution now appear unlikely.
Local analysts suggested Pakistani intelligence had deliberately decided to complicate the case in order to put pressure on the government and the United States, with whom relations have been troubled over the war in Afghanistan.
“This would be seen as a kind of deliberate attempt to make the situation more difficult and complex to handle, and this provides additional material to the Islamic groups to adopt a hardline stance,” said analyst Hasan Askari.
“These (intelligence) groups are not happy with the way America was building pressure on Pakistan on the war on terrorism. “If it goes to the street and massive agitation, all political parties will find it a good opportunity to knock the PPP out of power,” he said.
So sensitive is the case that Fauzia Wahab, spokeswoman for the ruling party, was forced to resign after saying that diplomats have immunity and that Davis had an “official” visa.
The PPP has also ditched former foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi in a recent cabinet reshuffle.
Qureshi, who was still in his post at the time of the shootings, said last week that in his view Davis did not have full diplomatic immunity.
The Pakistani intelligence official said the Davis case had soured relations with the Central Intelligence Agency.
“Our relations with the CIA are now sort of pretty dicey. It has affected our relationship,” the official told AFP.
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Mr. Raymond Davis was found CIA acting Chief in Pakistan, and Pakistan Authorities caught him and put him in Jail under tight security. It means the so called revolution prevailing in Arab world would be delayed in Pakistan?Recommend
If this all is true, then the Pakistan Army should withdraw from FATA, and not fight America’s war. They should expel all American personell from the country and stop the construction of all embassies. This will happen if Pakistan has the guts to do so. They should hang Davis, and be the first to sever all diplomatic, trade and military ties with the USA.
I know it will have many reprecussions, but I think the self respect of the Pakistani people is on the line, because if the government caves in then every developed nation will think they can have their way with Pakistan.Recommend
And we all had the same doubt from day ONE. And what is the punishment of a spy once caught? Head shot.Recommend
But we already knew this, unofficially anyways.
Lets wait and see what our judiciary, politicians and media does with this.
I hope I am wrong, but I feel the government will steep down to their lowest point, in terms of self respect and dignity, and bow down to America’s requests of releasing him, even when now it is proven that he is a CIA operative, thereby NOT a diplomat.Recommend
Being a spy and having diplomatic credentials is not mutually exclusive. In fact, it is quite common for countries to place their spies within their consulates or embassies in the host nation. This way, the spies are practically guaranteed immunity if they are ever caught because they can only be declared persona non grata by the host country and deported, all the while the other country can deny the person was a spy.
As for the rest of this article, is this really news? You don’t shoot two people through the windshield of the car and only miss once, and then stand around make a video of the scene unless you are very well trained and experienced in combat situations. Keeping in mind the details of his past that have emerged, clearly he was not just a chokidaar at some museum in the US looking for a change in scenery! As usual, this is newsworthy to us Pakistanis because it is now in a foreign newspaper. Now, we can all go around saying ‘Seeee. Even the Guardian is saying so!’ Sad.Recommend
obviously we all know he is an agent. Thats not the question. The question is, legally, is he here as a diplomat? i mean kaghazi taur par? lets not kid ourselves. all countries, including pakistan, send spies under the cover of diplomats.
why do the agencies have to handle everything with violence? he could have been declared a persona non grata but no, they had to send guys to follow him around or take him out.Recommend
Pakistan’s woes with CIA began in 1960 when then the US Consul General in Dhaka began to
have secret meetings with top Awami League leaders; sometimes such meetings also took place at Indian Deputy High Commissioner’s Residence. After one year of controversy between
then the Administration in Dhaka and the Central Government supported by two Intelligence Agencies to remove the Consul General and protest to Washington DC about CIA covert operations. With great reluctancy the Consul General was declared persona non grata. Ten years later with the dough already prepared by US the cake was baked by India and USSR and
named BanglaDesh. In 1975 US Ambassador Eugene Dobbs was expanded in Kabul to open
the gateway to Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in order to help East Europe overcome the subjugation of Moscow. As they say Rome was not built in day so any operation for a specific
reason in this region is being done with precise calculations with support of our politicians and
other officials. What is taking place in North Africa and Gulf will reach our shores and pour into
our streets unless we pull our heads out of the sand!Recommend
Acha? Really? We dint know that.Thanks for solving the mystery Guardian.Recommend
Had it been India, Davis would have been tried in Indian courts. That is for sure. I pity PakistanisRecommend
Pakistan’s Foreign Office should behave courageously and should clarify that he is a spy not diplomat and if they are feared off America then they have no right to be there in FO and Pakistanis politicians have test case how much they can stand for the pride and freedom of the nation!Recommend
Isn,t that not enough for us to open our eyes and diffrentiate between friend and enemy.Recommend
now wondering who those two men were…must be from Pakistan’s intellegenceRecommend
That RD is a spy has been obvious from day one. The only question is whether the Pakistani government will allow this cowboy and his associates to escape the consequences of their utter disregard for citizens’ lives.Recommend
What a Joke!
A country which as killed more than a thousand Pakistanis in drone attacks, is calling Pakistan to abide by international laws.Recommend
In the first phase why was he (along with many others … God knows) allowed Visa and free movement every where in Islamic Republic of PAKISTAN? I’ll give you 1000 bucks for crossing over to any other country like these people sneak into Pakistan. And another 1000 bucks for illegally shooting a duck over there!Recommend
We already know it. Please bring it to kind attention of Fozia Wahab who is sorrowful for Raymond DaviesRecommend
All of a sudden the british tabloids become reliable?? trace back to NOTW and the SUN!Recommend
Good sign that the International media is picking up on this story. Our point of view needs to be highlighted in the international media both press and TV.Recommend
Midnight Express movie comes to mind of a Turkish jail and its treatment of inmates, including one American. Pakistani jails are sober comparatively. So if convicted, RD should come out okay and like our polticians, who are frequent visitors to jails, could become a successful politician in the US after his release. Just look at how successful the President and PM are to name a few!Recommend
As a tax paying citizen of Pakistan , I have the right to ask these questions: Why were our intelligence agencies not doing their job ?? If they were these type of goons / killers would not have been issued visas & those who escaped would not have escaped to USA..Wonder how many more killers are in Pakistan!!!!Recommend
@SARA:
Bullseye !! …….yes they were !Recommend
@Sarah: since when does a reliable and internationally renowned Broad sheet became a tabloid? you are comparing Guardian with SUN and NOTW I hope your comment was sarcastic!
@Ram: ummm thats exactly what Pakistan is doing .. trying him in court so why the pity???Recommend
Yes, I have read this news of Raymond Davis in Guardian news paper as CIA operate who was stopped by 2 ISI operative not to enter into “Red Zone” and as a result both took out guns (Cowboy Style) and who had better aim brought the other down. I think this is a reason behind all reasons that the USA government wants him at any cost because they don’t want their agents to be exposed, specially in a country where all politics are played and worked around USA bashing. The million dollar question is about our own agencies and concerned ministries whether they were sleeping or they new all we either don’t know or are not suppose to know? I don’t think that this case will now be decided by any court. Some dealings will take place because if a court of law will take up this case then this proverb from Punjabi language will take place “Khidoo Pholyan Leera’an Nikliyan”. Now both Media and their promoters of different political and religious parties will have two weeks more to play and give their own opinions and rulings on the status of whole situation. So come out with some “Phokay Fires”.Recommend
@ram
Hey Mr “ram” , what about the decisions that Indian courts make regarding land disputes between the construction of Mosques vs Temples…. ( ring any bells)Recommend
Wow, the report in Guardian is written by none other than the very predictable Declan Walsh who has been writing his reports based on sources ….Recommend
this is time to take a stand and he should be tried by court for the crimes. Let the so called FIRST WORLD LEADERS champions of human right know —EVERY PERSON irrespective of colour , race and location is EQUAL . Unless such crimes are not stopped the developing countries will not be able to stasnd on their feet.Recommend
He is CIA agent, so what?Recommend
@romm – “……….need one more lesson like Bombay to be taught”
I don’t appreciate your sadistic comments. Looks like you are uncivilized? We in India don’t feel happy whenever people die due to bombs blast in Pakistan.
@karachiite – The point is Pakistan government is buckling under US pressure to protect CIA agent. Therefore the prosecution will not present the case properly and Davis may be acquitted for want of evidence. One cannot blame Pakistan judiciary for this.Recommend
@dr sohail manzoor:
Are u sure? the politicians are struggling to prove him as diplomat…………if not finaly will say He was there guest……..Shame and pity……Time has come to wake up guys…..Recommend
I can see Raymond sitting with Oprah telling the world how he was treated in jail in Lahore. LOLZ.Recommend
It does not matter whether he is a CIA agent or diplomat. Pak should insist on US to waive his diplomatic immunity and try him in Pak courts. The issue before Pak courts should only be whether RD killed or not and under what section he should be punished, The courts should be spared of the immunity question .If the courts duck under any excuse, they will lose respect like the ATCs in PakistanRecommend
@romm
Mr/Ms romm , I am a Pakistani and I am forced to say that your comments today were very irresponsible. And I must also advice & remind you that what you have said DOES NOT REPRESENT THE PAKISTANI PEOPLE.Please comment with responsibility & maturity ( nothing personal ).
@ram
Mr “ram” , perhaps you did not mean to use/say the word “pity” and what you meant to say was more deeper and compassionate.Recommend
@ali:
He is a technical staff of Counsulate, so he does not enjoy complete immunity. Reference Section 37 and 41 of Vienna convention.
He can get immunity only if that incident had occured while he was performing official duties.Recommend
@sarah:
Guardian is one the most credible British newspapaer. It is not comparable with NOTW, SUN, or Daily Mail.Recommend
@ram:
Pakistan is doing that, please change your reading glasses.Recommend
He may be a CIA spy, but which country in the world doesnt have spy’s under diplomatic cover. The same Guardian article also states that the government of Pakistan was also aware of his status, it also states that the two boys on the motorcycle were most probably petty thieves. So this revelation doesnt really change anything.Recommend
@Abu Abdullah
My reading glasses are OK. Instead of reading about India, better read what is happening in your own country – Pakistan. Your foreign minister Qureshi quit very recently for the very same reason mentioned by me.Recommend
@ ram..
you are an Indian and most the time we (Pakistani’s) don’t like to agree with you guys.. but you are absolutely right in saying “Pakistan government is buckling under US pressure to protect CIA agent”, indeed this is what we are doing…! finding ways not bring him to justice but to extradite him safely.Recommend
@ram:
At least Shah Mehmood quit over a principle issue, yours would never have resigned over lets say thousands of killings and acts of state terrorism in Kashmir or the Babari Mosque incident.Recommend
@TightDhoti:
Stop worrying about Pakistan & keep your Dhoti Tight lest a spy sneaks in.Recommend
@ram
I don’t give a hoot about what happens in India (and neither should you so should you keep your nose out of Pakistan’s way)
At least Shah Mehmood quit over a principle issue, yours would never have resigned over lets say thousands of killings and acts of state terrorism in Kashmir or the Babari Mosque incident.Recommend
@ram
hey what about ajmal kasab? what are your courts doing?
stop preaching us.Recommend
Okay, he is a spy, that’s an established fact now. But who’s to blame? The U.S or the civil and military leadership that allows these spies to work freely, employing the very (supposedly defunct) militant groups that were created by our leaders? I think it is about time that we realized that our civil and military leaderships are not sincere with Pakistan, and their loyalties lie somewhere else. And there’s no difference among PPP, PML-N, PML-Q, MQM, JI, JUI, and our military leadership. Imran Khan is yet to be tested (if he’s ever voted in), but I don’t believe that he’s going to be able to make a difference (even if he IS voted in). The root of the problem is this corrupt system that gives birth to such insincere rulers. That is what we need to get rid of.Recommend
The Guardian is hardly a credible source! The Indian Shiv Sena newspaper has more credibility than The Guardian.
The matter is NOT whether or not Davis is CIA or whatever, the matter is DID he kill two men in self-defense or was this just a violent act?
Nice to see how we again deviate from the crux of the case to another aspect of Davis.Recommend
Guardian should also mention some MI5 agents working in Pakistan to prove credibilty of their report.Recommend
@Kazmis:
A clever tongue in cheek comment !Recommend
as someone posted earlier, most countries have spies in other countries – no surprise there.
ever consider that CIA agents in Pakistan probably do work that benefits the Pakistani government like identifying and locating anti-government, anti-Pakistani individuals?Recommend
i had already been commented that “spy had killed spies” .sooner it would also confirm that the two person murder by davis was also local spy(intelligence persons). They both were spying him .Recommend
@Aamer – Ajmal Kasab has killed innocent people and he is being tried for that.
@ram – I am not questioning about your feelings for the fellow Pakistanis because I hope it was in true spirit. But I believe what was absolutely not required in this context was a reference to India. India has their own set of problems and they need to deal it independently and more efficiently and the same applies for Pakistan. In most of our common forums we try to make a relative comparison with our neighbour and find consolation that probably we are in a better situation(Holds true for both Indians and Pakistanis) . This attitude is not at all acceptable because in that case one will always tend to undermine his set of problems and leave them unattended rather than mending the issues. Consequently there will be new lows achieved.
I believe as Indians if we are commenting on Pakistan, then we need to understand their issues from a broader perspective. Our Indian system is not free of injustice. If we are referring to our country then we should try to give a broader view of our problems and solutions. That will help in an more open and healthy discussion. Otherwise it will become a sick competition of highlighting each others negative points associated with continuous denial of ones own flaws which is not desired at all.Recommend
@ PakistaniCanadian
Being a spy and a diplomat is not mutually exclusive but being a trained assassin and a diplomat is.Recommend
@Ram
…..Read above comments ….. I think ap ki kaafi TasuLi ho gayee ho gee ……
….. We, Pakistanis are there to handle the situation and we can go to any extend for sake of justice ………
…..I think you better go and see whats happening in India ……..
… Your Observation is very poor just see how many people above have commented here to keep you quite (with their obvious valid justifications ) [ Love ya Pakistani's ]
……. so now it’s your choice either change your opinion ( poor observation/suggestions ) or don’t comment here anyMore ( better for u ) [ my suggestion as ur "PAK... Brother" ] :)Recommend
@Raj(India)
I am a pakistani ……
……… I by no way, was in a mood to post comment here , but after reading ur comment. I was forced to do So,………
.
[ Regarding what You quoted @Aamer ]
Well as, I don’t know the full story of Ajmal kasab …….. so, I am not going to comment on that
[ Regarding what You quoted @ram ]
….. I Appreciate you …….. I agree with you 100% ……. I was glad to know ur feelings ….. yes absolutley I agree to every bit of it what you mentioned My INDIAN BROTHER …………………….
Brother , we have to educate the people ( there are many “Parha Likha JahiL”)//////
and because ‘Parha Likha Jahil’ is more dangerous than “Jahil” ………
….. well I was not pointing on anyone Rather to promote the BROTHER hood among two neighbouring countries and removing AMBIGUITIES ……. :)Recommend
The Government of Pakistan should extract each and every thing from Raymond Davis as what he was up to in Lahore?
No matter Raymond Davis is a diplomat or not, he should be grilled by our intelligence agencies thoroughly and his statement of confession should be recorded and should be aired around the world as what Americans are doing in the world?
I have no mercy for Raymond Davis who became the main cause for killing four innocent Pakistanis.
Let the Raymond Davis say that he killed the two people on spot in self defense. We must deliver justice to the family members of all the people killed.
The government should not give any leniency to Raymond Davis at any cost, otherwise things will be quite different in Pakistan.
US should forget about Raymond Davis once and for all that he was ever been an American national or a diplomat?
Our intelligence agencies should now check the list that how many more CIA agents are roaming in Pakistan and where?Recommend
Since Davis has been declared a spy, I won’t be too surprised if the involved parties is already pressuring the sitting judge or trying to offer a bribe to have the judgement in their favor This is not uncommon in PakistanRecommend
And thye have been saying all along “do more” and doing all the dirty work. Wait until more get arrested. I’m sure he is “singing like a bird” to tell who else is behind terrorist activities. Kudos to ISI for nailing the top gun. CIA msut be terrified right now.Recommend
Mazang has headquarters of Jamaat-e-Islami and Thanvi Madrassah Jamia Ashrafia. RD perhaps was arranging two dead motocyclists for future terrorist acts, or spying for Pakistan Tehrik-e- Taliban members in this area. He did go in such a conjusted area to for shopping.Recommend
@ram:
Please don’t command on their problem though we(india,pakistan) were brother of same parent country but they don’t like so please don’t give them extra love.They will return you sorrow.
and use the name JaaMaal.Or you will be treated romm.Recommend
@ram: I appreciate your comment for having heart for the suffering. However, I would like to see similar problems were handled by other third world countries including India. Even one example would be used as torch bearing slogan. That’s for sure.Recommend
@Neha Khan…(( Being a spy and a diplomat is not mutually exclusive but being a trained assassin and a diplomat is))…U sure have a valid point there…However, if two robbers run into a trained assassin/diplomat and get shot they still are robbers and the diplomat still remains a diplomat. Everyone has a right to self defence. In this case RD shot the two guys who threatened to rob him by brandishing guns and got shot. The case is as simple as that. Its not his fault that he is trained to use weapons and even if he is, that doesn’t make him less of a diplomat.Recommend
@PakistaniCanadian:
Being a spy and being a diplomat are mutually exclusive roles. The Vienna Convention for Diplomatic Immunity are for immunity for diplomats and the diplomatic functions performed by such diplomats. Please read the Conventions in entirety. As for the practice by countries like US to provide diplomatic cover, such a practice is contrary to the spirit of the Vienna Conventions; and is a deceptive and disingenuous practice. Have you ever wondered why it is called “Diplomatic Immunity”?Recommend
If the government fails to act,its up to us the “people” of Pakistan to take steps that are required.Let us be heard!
@ Abu
Well does “ever consider that CIA agents in Pakistan probably do work that benefits the Pakistani government” mean shooting 3 Pakistani citizens dead in their own country?..:/
makes sense buddy..^o)
I wouldnt like to see an American killing a Pakistani in Pakistan regardless what the Pakistani has done!.Recommend
r v pakistanis kidding here we cannot prosecute
Davis till we accept aid from americans and loan
from IMF coming elections lets vote for party whoRecommend
@Zain:
A very well thought out plan to defend the “self-respect”. Actually, am with you only if you could answer , what will you feed yourselves with? Don’t you know that you are not fighting this war for any Call of Duty, but in fact Pakistan has mastered the art of selling “Wars” as a commodity to the western world to get the most desired “Aid” in return. What say you?Recommend
@Raj
And what do you think is happening with Raymond? Is he being laced with an award?Recommend
Sorry to say guys that the majority of pakistani love US $ so much, if US today say that individual pakistani shall be given 50 US $, all will drop RD at airport………Recommend
@Ram: I remember India chartering a private jet to let the American CEO of Union Carbide leave Bhopal, India in the 80s after being responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Indians in a gas leak, so this behavior/humiliation is not restricted to Pakistan.
Ten of thousands deaths?? [ 15000 Indians Died by Worst Industrial Disaster. Oh, lets even forget the 5,58,525 Injured; according to the affidavit filed in the Supreme Court by the Union Government on 26th October, 2006.
Lastly, my dear Ram — Trust me, the world does NOT revolve around India, so there is no need to bring up India, where it has nothing to do. We are trying our course of Justice. Lets support it, and if you still want to stand up, please do stand up for US State Departments forwarded in August, 2010 Bhopal gas tragedy is a closed case now: U.S
Cheers ;-)
- S. Asghar.Recommend
law is same for all in their country & support it that he should get punishment.
we don’t quarreling in this. that why I am giving some vastly accepted evidence.
in case you @Aamer: i think you surely know Kasab is terrorist caught in red hand.
@Abu Abdullah:
Very truly speaking with very respectfully to all Muslims.
I am saying that Babri Mosque was created by Babur in around 1527 by destroying Ram Janmobhumi Mondir,the evidence was give by Archeology determent of india/British Raj documents also acknowledged it & Verdict is in Congress’ time(not BJP,).
You and I both know that Sharia does not permit painting,temple,Models so not only Babur but also all muslim kings destroyed many hindu/Buddhist structure in account of Islam and still running. as for eg Taliban On 6 March 2001 destroyed Buddhas of Bamyan.
You also know in Pakistan appx. 100+ temple destroyed in 1992.Then why still regrade.
Do you know the real cause of Babri??
you all know in 84-88 india was tensed in political cause and in 89-91 Kashmir started in war with india it is OK,But in the the end of 91 they started to killing Hindus,My Question what hindu in Kashmir done against them?? and thats not OK for all thats why in 92 it was seemed rudimentary action for some people. thats the true cause.
watch this how you treat with Minority in your country read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PersecutionofHindus#Pakistan
My Question is why you Destroying others property first??
the god is the one you can say Allah/God/some name so what do you think Allah will forgive you destroy others believe in the name of Sharia. see the example: Taliban will be the king of Afghanistan known to all Still 2001.But their sinful act reached at the to the unforgivable stage then the God/Allah relished their leaders from the Earth. My Question is : Is they not read Koran/5 time namas every day??? Think.
Because Allah/God don’t tolerate the sinRecommend
ISI should ask him who was behind Mumbai attacks. My gut feeling tells me it is also the work of CIA. It is gora’s old policy divide and rule.Recommend
RD diplomatic immunity is decided by the PAK foreign office. If Pak foreign office says yes, then the court has to accept it. All gov claim diplomatic immunity to their staff but it the FO of the host country to decide whether the give Diplomatic immunity or not. So the actual ball is in Pak FO.
It is likely the FO will expel him, as is standard in many cases and the court will accept it.
If every one like what Guardian is saying on RD, then they should also give same credibility that the two guys shot by RD are petty thieves and RD shot them in self defense. I’d does not matter if he is a CIA staff or not.
As always the truth is simple. The RD guy, may be CIA, was about to be mugged by the crooks and shot in self defense.
However in PAK the truth or untruth is often mixed with politics and hence no justice for any one, either for the blasphemy Bibi case, assassinated Punjab governor and Butto, or for RD.
Nawaz sheriff was a kidnapper as per Musharraf and court said yes and exiled NS, now warrant for Musharraf issued by the same court and as a former President of PAK he openly defies his own country’s court. Then who will have any faith in the PAK system?
Sad to see that PAK is going down hill, RD or not.
,Recommend
So RD was a spy, so what’s new? There are thousands of spies working in different countries all over the world. He killed a couple of ISI men who were trying to bully him and they turned out to be cowards and he shot them while they were running away. The real tragedy in this story is the bystander who was run over by a consulate vehicle and the widow of one of the ISI men. My advice to Pakistanis, stop acting like a Sialkot lynch mob, this was an accident, let the judiciary and international agreements decide what actually happened. Stop with blaming America for every shortcoming your country has and improve yourself first. Most of you who shout death to America also line up American and other Western embassies every day in order to get out of your miserable lives. Blame yourself for your own problems and not every tom dick harry or america for all your ills.Recommend
Dont worry people, he wont be released this easyRecommend
Here is something more to this guy according to EU Times Tribune please publish.
CIA Spy Captured Giving Nuclear Bomb To Terrorists
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/cia-spy-captured-giving-nuclear-bomb-to-terrorists/Recommend
So, finally the news it out. It is just embarrassing to see our poor old government still pleading to the public to convince them that he was a diplomat.Recommend
@ram: ram lakhan, perhaps you should find some activity to to better spend your time instead of worrying about your neighbor! Seriously, have you exhausted all avenues of possible entertainment in maha bharat?
When you come to a Non India site, learn to respect. What would bapu say? no?Recommend
Almost all the people involved in US embassies in other countries will get CIA training and even be working for CIA. This practice was started during Cold War and continues to this day. Even India, Russia,etc., will have spies in their embassies in Pakistan, that does not mean they must be put in jail. They have protection under the Vienna Convention. Same goes for ISI in US, India and other countries.
Well, Pakistan has managed to cut the nose to spite the face.Recommend
This is hardly news. Everybody knew this all along. The main issue is, can Pakistan afford to alienate the US and survive given the state of the economy at the moment? That is worth pondering over. Unless China can step in and fill in the deficit – the Chinese are notoriously tight-fisted, Davis will be let off. A prisoner swap with Dr.Aafia is the only plausible middle-ground.Recommend
On January 25th 2011, just two days before Davis shot and killed the two young Pakistanis, the US Embassy submitted a list of its diplomatic and non-diplomatic staff in Pakistan to the Pakistani Foreign Office (FO), as all foreign nations are required to do annually. The list included 48 names. Raymond Davis was not on the list. The day after Davis shot and killed the two Pakistanis, the US Embassy suddenly submitted a “revised” list to the Foreign Office which added Davis’ name!
When Pakistani police took Davis into custody on January 27th, he had on his person an ordinary American passport with a valid ordinary Pakistan visa, issued by the Pakistan Embassy in Washington. On January 28th, a member of the US Consulate wanted the Pakistani police to exchange that passport in Davis’ possession with another one. The fresh passport being offered was a diplomatic passport with a valid diplomatic visa dated sometime in 2009. This visa was stamped in Islamabad by the Foreign Office!
It gets more ridiculous. The prosecutor representing the Punjab government has presented two letters from the US Embassy as evidence before the Lahore High Court, forwarded to the Punjab government through the FO. The first letter, dated January 27, reads: “Davis is an employee of the US Consulate General Lahore and holder of a diplomatic passport.” The second, dated February 3rd, states that Davis is a member of the “administrative and technical staff of the US Embassy Islamabad!” Just how gullible do the Americans take Pakistanis to be!Recommend
Who are we kidding.One way or another we are going to hand this guy back over to the US.So why not get something in return.Like Aafia Siddique.Its better than just handing him over.Recommend
@Abu Abdullah – Decency demands that I don’t reciprocate the way you have commented about me. Be matured enough to accept facts / truths instead of accusing me – it is like blaming thermometer for your fever. Also read the latest news – the US does not want Pakistan to try Davis for espionage. Only spies do espionage!Recommend
@Safwan:
I agree with you 100% that the Agencies and the Civil Leadership+ Govt. are responsible for people like RD roaming in the country freely. But then BEGGARS CAN’T BE CHOOSERSRecommend
@Jawed: Pakistanis are not so cheap, you should talk about million dollars for each dead person, 50 dollars are nothing in Pakistan now a days.Recommend
is it possible that the two men killed by raymond davies were working for him, and when they refused to do any more dirty work. Raymond had no choice but to kill them.Recommend
The CIA was allowed to fight in Afghanistan not to destabilise Pakistan. Or is the war in Afghanistan just a ruse to steal Pakistan’s nuclear weapons? Davis has resulted to a certain level of peace in Pakistan.Recommend
AMERICA is the main source for spreading terrorism in the world.,that is 100% trueRecommend
Sorry USA………………………..Recommend
If davis goes,zardari and his close supporter will have to go as well. and the people party will finished in pakistan for ever.Recommend