Hindu extremist confesses involvement in Samjhauta Express bombing

By PPI
Published: January 7, 2011
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A Hindu extremist leader has confessed that he was involved in several bombings incidents. He claimed to have been a part of the India-Pakistan Samjhauta Express train bombing in 2007 in which 68 Pakistani nationals were killed, said a media report released on Friday. PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE

A Hindu extremist leader has confessed that he was involved in several bombings incidents. He claimed to have been a part of the India-Pakistan Samjhauta Express train bombing in 2007 in which 68 Pakistani nationals were killed, said a media report released on Friday. PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE

NEW DEHLI: A Hindu extremist leader has confessed that he was involved in several bombings incidents. He claimed to have been a part of the India-Pakistan Samjhauta Express train bombing in 2007 in which 68 Pakistani nationals were killed, said a media report released on Friday.

Swami Aseemanand is said to be a leader of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, a Hindu group that shares close ties with India’s main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party. It was reported that he had been arrested by authorities in November.

According to latest issue of Tehelka weekly magazine, Aseemanand confessed before a judicial magistrate and said he and his fellow RSS activists were involved in blasts on Samjhauta Express; at mosques in Malegaon in Maharashtra state and Andhra Pradesh’s state capital, Hyderabad; and a Muslim shrine in Ajmer in Rajasthan.

Aseemanand in his confession reportedly said that the bombings were in retaliation to Muslim militants attacking Hindu temples. “I told everyone that a bomb must be responded with a bomb,” Aseemanand exhorted.

At least 38 people were killed and over 100 injured in blasts that quivered the Muslim-majority town of Malegaon in September 2006.

Mecca Masjid blast in Hyderabad in May 2007 claimed 14 lives whereas three died and 15 were injured in blast at a Sufi shrine in Ajmer in October 2007.

Aseemanand’s confession has turned out to be a blessing for investigators who have been probing bombings targeting Muslims for several years.

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  • StinkingIndian
    Jan 7, 2011 - 10:01PM

    Haven’t seen any Indian comments on it?????????????????????Recommend

  • Jan 7, 2011 - 10:26PM

    It Iis so unfortunate that religous extremist and fanatics kill innocent human beings. tHis inhuman act not only deserves strong condemnation but Culprits must be taken to task as soon as possible. We cannot imagine the plight of those humans who must had suffered undescribable pain ain this horrific incident.Shame on all religious fanatics.Recommend

  • Ashwin
    Jan 7, 2011 - 11:35PM

    Nice article thanks for informing Pakistanis that Indian system works, unlike you know “…… “Recommend

  • Anoop
    Jan 8, 2011 - 1:03AM

    Its good that the Indian State has acted tough against Terror. As a result there were no Hindutva Terror incidences in 2010. NONE! Good job.

    Also, we can claim that even though majority Pakistanis died in Samjhota Blasts, Indian Police didnt wait for Pakistanis to send dossiers after dossiers to act against the culprits, like it happened with Mumbai attacks.

    Pakistan can learn a thing or two from the Indian Police. Recommend

  • G.Khan
    Jan 8, 2011 - 1:37AM

    I have been saying this repeatedly over and over again. Indian extremists were denying it at this forum and everywhere. I said these Hindu Extremists and Terrorists were behind most of Blasts in India and they were framing Muslims into it. It was not just Samjhota express. This menace is much bigger than that. Their Political wing (BJP) is as invlove in all this planned bombing as RSS itself. Babri Masjid was not a random event. It’s planning was done 10 months in advance and mostly RSS terrorists soldiers who have formal training of climing walls, Martial art and etc. climbed the Masjid so easily due to that, under the Great Terrorist Leadership of L.K.Advani. They are all Terrorists. Now , no one should have any doubts that by whom and why HEMANT KARKARE was killed? Because He was very close to discover all that and also discover that the Ongoing Saga (26/11) was also the chamatkar of the local terrorists. Karkare was shut down and they framed Ajmal Kasab. If the right investigations are carried out , it won’t be difficult to find the foot prints of the same Terrorists Hindu organizations in 26/11 which they again are framing on others. If they did it so many times with in India ;starting from Babri Masjid , then why can not they do it again on 26/11 ? Few additional Players will also come to limelight. Operation like 26/11 could not have happened without support from local professionals. Recommend

  • Rajat
    Jan 8, 2011 - 6:07AM

    Well… that’s good… now the only thing left remaining is to pack these thugs off to jail for life…Recommend

  • abdullah
    Jan 8, 2011 - 12:38PM

    nothing new we know this 4rm a long tym the shameful thing is that when blasts took place the first thing indian gov did was they said isi did it ..and the worse is that lots of politicians and high profile indian r involved in doing such acts and even few of them sit in the parliament…this shows there gov is spreading terrorismRecommend

  • vish
    Jan 8, 2011 - 12:54PM

    @G.Khan are you a story writter?Recommend

  • A Chowdhury
    Jan 8, 2011 - 1:54PM

    The difference between a Hindu extremist and an Islamist fundamentalist is that the former knows very well that killings should not be done in the name of God (thats why they have confessed it without citing it as holy war and calling it a revenge against muslim militants) while the latter is more dangerous because he is convinced or rather brainwashed that killing innocent people is as per the command of Allah commonly known as Jihad !

    Both these extremists are to be condemned, because, when a bomb blasts off only innocents die !!Recommend

  • ABCDEFG
    Jan 8, 2011 - 5:55PM

    @Anoop….yea sure we can learn from what India did after that attack. They first blamed ISI and then SHAMEFULLY admitted it was the handiwork of Hindu extremists. Now I have a question for you, apart from being behind the bars, how many of these murderers have been executed or hanged like India always asks Pakistan for Mumbai attacks? ZERO. No progress has been made. And yes, I quite agree with you that our Foreign Ministry has been very generious in not ruining your international reputation after that attack. Our correct reaction should have been in the same light that India responded to after the Mumbai attack….and that is, to brand India as a terrorist state – full stop. Recommend

  • Deepak
    Jan 8, 2011 - 6:42PM

    Being an Indian first and Hindu second, I would welcome the agencies probing this case in spite of pressure tactics by some communal forces in my country. RSS unduly tries to be the flag bearer of Hinduism and these actions are most damaging for not only Hinduism but also my country and its social fabric.
    The real Hinduism need not to be preached but need to be practiced to convey what lies in this religion, philosophy. Personalities like Swami Vivekananda, Mahatma Gandhi and Ravindra Nath Tagore showed it by their characters & actions what being Hindu really means.
    The guru of the greatest ambassador of Hindu religion in modern times clearly told him that he himself has probed and practiced Islam and Christianity and found both religions as truth.

    But fortunately the education system that is practiced in my country gives me the option to take a neutral view of the situation and dissect the wrong doers in the name of religion. The teachings of Swami Vivekananda suggest that being a compassionate human is our foremost duty and doing good is foundation stone of any religion call it Hinduism, Islam etcRecommend

  • G.Din
    Jan 8, 2011 - 6:43PM

    Isn’t it a reflection of the damage to public morale in India wrought by the Muslim appeasement of the Indian government? Is it possible that some are coming to the conclusion that the government is not interested in coming to the aid of majority community and so must rise themselves to defend their life, liberty and honour?Recommend

  • Anoop
    Jan 8, 2011 - 9:43PM

    @ABCDEFG,

    “how many of these murderers have been executed or hanged like India always asks Pakistan for Mumbai attacks?”

    –> But, they are not roaming free like Hafiz Saeed either. They are lodged in some filthy Indian jail, which is probably worse than death. I never even heard that Hafiz Saeed went to jail, it was always ‘House Arrest’. What a drama.

    This might put things in perspective:
    Present location of the Leader of Hindutva group which was responsible for Samjhota Blasts: Jail

    Present location of the leader of Islamist group(LeT) which was responsible for Mumbai attacks: Lahore, a free bird

    Lets look at the number of Terror Incidents in India and Pakistan by the said groups in 2010:
    India: ZERO attacks.
    Pakistan: 1 every week, on a good week, or one every single day.

    Number of Casualties:
    India: ZERO
    Pakistan: Much more than the 2009 figure of 3000+.

    “And yes, I quite agree with you that our Foreign Ministry has been very generious in not ruining your international reputation after that attack.”

    –> Your government thought it must be the handiwork of some Islamist group which is against India-Pakistan friendship. Only when Indian police investigated it and found out that some inconsequential Hindu-fanatic group was behind it, Pakistan government reacted to it. How can they accuse the Indian government of cover-up when Indian Government was the one which came out with the facts and has arrested the culprits?

    So, your Foreign Ministry did what was the only option: Shup up.

    So, please stop reading the Urdu newspapers which feed you propaganda.

    “brand India as a terrorist state – full stop.”

    –> Well, if you are going to think that to soothe your ego, then I cant stop you. The reason there were no attacks in India in 2010 was that it took action against Criminals. Pakistan has been unable to even find the murders of its former PM, forget Mumbai attacks. Recommend

  • Sara
    Jan 8, 2011 - 10:05PM

    @ Anoop

    I gave comment you and another other INDIAN about Salman taseer’s murder links.

    I would again like to say that act of one person doesnt represent the whole society.
    but we should react in a sensible way. Soon after Samjhota Express attacks, Indian blamed Pakistan/ ISI that we did this.and after investigation TRUTH a in front of all of us.

    You people are saying again and again to punish Hafiz Saeed. I already said our courts are free. If dosiers contain some sensible proof, definitely Hafiz Saeed would be behind the bars.
    Why HEMANT KARKAREY shot dead in Mumbai Attack? It is impossible to have such attack without LOCAL support. why India not finding them?

    Be positive, dont blame blindly.

    Thanx India for fair Investigation. It proved Pakistan INNOCENT.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Jan 9, 2011 - 2:59AM

    “I would again like to say that act of one person doesnt represent the whole society.”

    –> It ideally should not. But, how long will Pakistanis toe this line? Who are the losers here. Certainly, none of my fellow citizens are getting killed due to your denial.(3000+ in a year approximately).

    “after investigation TRUTH a in front of all of us.”

    –> Extremists are in every society in varying degree. What is more important is there is zero tolerance for it. You talk about Samjhota Blasts. I ask you, who were the ones who told Pakistanis that not Islamist organization but Hindutva forces were behind it? Indian Government. Who has not waited for Pakistan to send dossiers after dossiers before acting against the culprits? Again us.

    “I already said our courts are free.”

    –> Rubbish. Pakistani courts are only free in criticizing the Civilian Government. They have in the past acted as rubber stamp for the Army, as recently as in Musharaff’s time.

    Lahore’s Court’s judge is so intolerant and in denial that he has in open court accused Hindus to be behind the Terror attacks.

    http://news.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/19-a-judge-is-judged-in-na,-with-walkout-730-hh-07

    “If dosiers contain some sensible proof, definitely Hafiz Saeed would be behind the bars.”

    –> All courts base their judgment on evidence. Interpol and UNSC have put sanctions on JuD and Hafiz Saeed, based on the same evidence that India gave to Pakistan, contained in the dossiers.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Interpol-issues-Red-Corner-notice-against-Hafiz-Saeed/articleshow/4934172.cms

    http://www.pakpoint.com/hafiz-saeed-to-challenge-un-in-icj-over-unsc-sanctions/1721/

    So, are you calling UNSC and Interpol biased, compared to Courts in Pakistan, which produce such geniuses as the one in Lahore Court? Dont you think the decision is politically motivated?

    Has Hafiz Saeed spent a single day in Jail? He is “arrested” for few days and he spends all of that time at home and he is then let off citing “improper” evidence.

    “Why HEMANT KARKAREY shot dead in Mumbai Attack?”

    –> Look, you talk as if you have been there, seen everything. There are scores of witnesses who have seen Kasab firing at the 3 Super-Cops. Please stop this false propaganda that you have been feeding yourself. Stop reading the Urdu newspapers. If you think Kasab is not guilty then why didn’t the Pakistani government send a lawyer to defend him? How on earth will anybody know that LeT will be attacking Mumbai at that time and day and the Indian Police not know that?

    “Be positive, dont blame blindly.”

    –> Since, I take the references of neutral organizations like UNSC and Interpol, there is a very good chance that I am right, which would automatically make you wrong.

    “It proved Pakistan INNOCENT.”

    –> India did investigate fairly not to get Pakistan out of trouble because it was doing the right thing. As a result, India did not witness a single incident of Hindutva Terror in 2010.

    Compare this with Pakistan where there is a dozen-casualty Terror incident almost every week.Recommend

  • Ashwin
    Jan 9, 2011 - 10:30AM

    :) tell me has at least one terrorist incident investigated and brought to justice in Pakistan, for that matter has truth been ever told. Who Killed BB ? Why are sharif brothers associated with some shady terror group and using them to win elections, aren’t they then supporters of terror in Pakistan.Does anyone know for sure who killed Zia?.How did Bangladesh come into existence?

    ————————————————————————————————————————————————–>
    Let us take example of India Indra Gandhi was killed by sikhs, Khalistan movement was put down brutally.LTTE assassinated Rajiv Gandhi, the terrorist were hunted and killed and one of the co-
    conspirators is in jail in Tamilnadu (south India) and all support was cut off to LTTE by India.
    ———————————————————————————————————————————————->
    Moral of the Story every country has a past , only those countries which learn from their past progress and remain nation state.Recommend

  • Someone
    Jan 9, 2011 - 2:28PM

    “So, your Foreign Ministry did what was the only option: Shup up.”
    That’s the problem. We shouldn’t shut up. Our media and politicians should bark in the same manner and ask India to either execute the terrorists, or hand them over to us. Now this is diplomacyRecommend

  • Jan 9, 2011 - 4:12PM

    I had commented on the other article where Pakistan is demanding justice, but repeating it here:

    As an Indian, I cannot have enough words to express my condolences to the families. As an Indian, I am an equal culprit of gullibility. Of not questioning the writing on the wall. Of believing that the Hindu hatred for Muslims, small as it was, was still a phenomenon out in the open, like riots, which we could condemn and resist loudly enough to lead to a virtual end of such incidents. We thought we had fixed it. We were blind. Hatred doesn’t go away when it becomes unpopular. It hides, as we learn at great cost in shame.

    I agree completely that the culprits must be brought to justice. I also think that the words of Swami Aseemanand should be widely published so that people may read and learn. For all the evil he did, two things he shared are a lesson to all of us.

    The first was his confession when he met Kaleem who treated him with great kindness and the remorse and prayaschitta (making ammends of a wrong done) that followed.

    “During my interaction with Kaleem, I learnt that he was previously arrested in the Mecca Masjid bomb blast case and he had to spend about one-and-a-half years in prison. During my stay in jail, Kaleem helped me a lot and used to serve me by bringing water, food etc for me. I was very moved by Kaleem’s good conduct and my conscience asked me to do prayaschit (penance) by making confessional statement.”

    It shows us that the hardliners beliefs can become blind to what it perceives as the enemy and this can lead to great wrongs. It is also important that he then learned from what he discovered and made his confession. Of course, his crimes must not be excused because of that in any way, but it is also a reminder that no matter how evil we become, there is potential for change with each new learning.

    The second is his words that are a wake up call for all humans and Hindus in particular.
    Aseemanand also reportedly said the Hindus are sitting quiet and that is not good.
    He said this about the Hindus not being too concerned about what they did (as in these guys – not the Muslim terrorist blasts), from the sound of it.

    This is what I have been blogging about for ages now, yelling myself hoarse about the warning signs in the language and beliefs we sometimes see in the society. The Hindus are too unconcerned with matters they are not interested in, or would like to not believe. Or they just think everything is fine. It is really sad when a terrorist with a conscience teaches us something we should have being paying attention to – that the moral fabric of our society is something we must nurture and not neglect.

    More importantly, we must not need to walk that path and shame ourselves before we learn it.Recommend

  • Ashutosh
    Jan 9, 2011 - 6:43PM

    @Someone

    The investigation in the Samjhauta Express is not over yet. Mr. Purohit and Sadvi Pragya Singh had not opened their mouth yet. Even the narco-tests had not resulted in anything material. It was fortunate that Aseemanand broke down during interrogation and spill the beans.

    Now based on these revelations, the agencies have to gather evidences and witnesses. May be more culprites are caught. It is important to get the master mind(s) in the net to ensure that such incidents do not happen in India. We are a responsible and democratic nation and we want to send the right message to our own people and to the world.

    Until a solid and water tight case is prepared against a ll the culprit, they can not even file a charge sheet. After that the trail can start. The trail too may take a year or more based on the complications. After the conclusion, the judgement may be announced. This judgement too can be challenged at various levels …

    IF the Pakistani media and/ or the politicians wants to bark they had been only doing that since the formation of Pakistan. India has a fair judiciary and all trails are public trails with the right to appeal to the affected party. I am sure you follow the Azmal Kasab’s case closely… All these principles are applied there too. Aren’t they?Recommend

  • sharjeel+khan
    Jan 9, 2011 - 6:52PM

    @Anoop
    you mean pakistan should learn things like these from indian police
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gFOqlCslZERecommend

  • Sara
    Jan 9, 2011 - 7:19PM

    @ Anoop

    This discussion will be useless who is right and who is wrong. As we the Pakistanis are sure that America is not in support of Muslims/ Pakistan. every one has his own interests.and to talk about UNO institutions, all the UNO is a puppet in the hands of America.

    Indians may dont have this perception bcz America is ur friend.

    There is no hesitation to say that Indians are more committed than Pakistanis. Our politicians are dieing for power, they dont have any concern with the problems of masses. when they dont care the people within country, ONLY A STUPID CAN THINK THAT THEY WILL FOLLOW A PERSON IN INDIAN JAIL, WHO IS BECOMING CAUSE OF THEIR DEFAME. To prove him guilty or not is another matter.

    I dont defend Hafiz Saeed,i dont know how the person he is. but its not easy for me to understand How a person from Pakistan moves to India only in a tube boat. I admit suppose there was no security on our shores, but where was Indian security? how the aliens at a place know about the places exactly? and finally what was their objective? JUST TO DEFAME PAKISTAN?

    The person talking RT from Hotel Taj, he said he belongs from DAKKAN MUJAHIDEEN (INDIA),

    Be logical.

    Any how, if u think u are doing good, keep continue ur efforts. there may be a time it bring any change.Recommend

  • Sara
    Jan 9, 2011 - 7:38PM

    Its open secret, if there’s any problem in America, they scared its done by MUSLIMS.

    I think in a few years they will say actually those were muslims who killed John F Canady,and the rest of Canady family and little after they will remember that the murderer of Ibraham Linkon was also a Muslim.

    Same way as India sea the culprits of every incident in DREAM that all those are PAKISTANIS.

    Such people live with Muslim fear and one day they will die of it.

    Extremists are in every society, they dominate the policy makers and now i feel that they also have some influence on common mass of INDIA.as common mass not thinking logically.
    Some body said pakistan had this conspiracy, start shouting blindly, yes pakistan as a state was indulge in it.

    I ALSO CAN SAY THAT MUMBAI ATTACKS ACTUALLY WAS THE PLANNING OF INDIAN AGENCIES, just to defame Pakistan, and they trapped Ajmal Kassab, same game which America played in 9/11.

    and i also can defend my idea with proves.

    Game of minds. Recommend

  • Sara
    Jan 9, 2011 - 8:49PM

    How much free Indian Judiciary is?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    we also know. Keep the chapter close.Recommend

  • Sara
    Jan 9, 2011 - 11:42PM

    @ Aoop

    News paper sensor some comments, i think it want to be………

    Who is the murderer of Benazir Bhutto, its an open secret

    Only one clue: This time she refused to obey the American dictation.

    Why America does all this with us?

    Our own polititions are traitors, and Geographical position of Pakistan is very much important in the World. How America can like a Powerful Muslim State? which can be a hurdle in the Plans of New Great Game of America.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Jan 10, 2011 - 12:07AM

    @sharjeel+khan,

    I agree that the Police in third world countries do indulge in unlawful practices. But, there are lot of honest, incorruptible officers in the force and its not really fair to generalize. Same, or worse, can be said about Pakistani Police.

    @Sara,

    “all the UNO is a puppet in the hands of America.”

    –> I specifically talked about UNSC because Pakistanis keep asking about UNSC resolutions with regard to Kashmir. If Pakistan doesn’t think UNSC is fair and useless then India can say the same. So, make up your mind which institution is fair and which is not.

    “Indians may dont have this perception bcz America is ur friend.”

    –> Although India and US have a lot of things in common like Democracy, principles, etc, they are not friends. In geo-politics nobody is nobody’s friend.

    India and Pakistan were born 64 years ago and since then till 1990s Pakistan was considered as US’s ally. Heck, US even sent in an Aircraft Carrier into the Bay Of Bengal during 1971(Mind you China didn’t do a single thing then for Pakistan) to scare India. Only when USSR, to which India was allied with, sent in its submarines did US remove the Carriers.

    For 64 years Pakistan has been allied with US, India for only a dozen or so. But, the differences lies here- While Pakistan had a slave-master relationship with US, and US giving billions in Aid for supporting Jihadis in Afghanistan, etc, India did not cow down to the US and had an independent Foreign Policy.

    It has now played its cards so smartly that it has good relations with US as well as Russia. Pakistan lost the plot long time ago.

    Only equals can be friends and Pakistan and US are NOT equals.

    “How a person from Pakistan moves to India only in a tube boat.”

    –> The same way dozen or so Terrorists managed to hijack 2 planes and flew them into the World Trade Center.

    When you say things like that you seem to suggest that India was hurting itself to put Pakistan in a spot. At the same time you say Indians are more committed than Pakistanis when it comes to these kind of things. Make up your mind. Also, might I remind you India need not stage a Terror attack to paint Pakistan in bad light, Pakistan is doing a stellar job on its own by supporting Terror in all its neighbouring countries except China.

    “I admit suppose there was no security on our shores, but where was Indian security?”

    –> Do you have any idea how HUGE India is? India is having a tough time covering the LOC with Pakistan and stopping in Terrorist Infiltration into Kashmir. You are talking about a 5000 KM shore line!

    Ok, let me give you an example how impossible it is to monitor Shore Lines. US has a big illegal migrants problem from South American countries. People from Cuba, Mexico,etc jump on a boat and head to America all the time. US will all its Technology and Power is not able to plug that hole. If you goto Miami, you will realize how Illegal Immigrants have flooded the City. More people speak Spanish than English.

    http://www.miamiimmigrationlawyersblog.com/2011/01/proposed-immigration-legislati.html

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5728708/theimpactofillegalimmigration_on.html

    So, how can you expect a ill-equipped,ill-managed Coast Guard/Navy to stop a bunch of guys entering into India? Only when Mumbai happen that India woke up from its slumber and realize the danger it posed.

    I mean I dont even know why we are discussing this: US, EU, UN, even Pakistani government has admitted that all the Mumbai attack gunmen were from Pakistan. If you do not think so, it doesn’t really matter and your denial would lead to more deaths, not in India, but in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Sara
    Jan 10, 2011 - 1:31AM

    @ Anoop

    You talked about terrorist attacks/ suicide blasts in pakistan

    Did any body think where these terrorist come from?

    America built a force to give defeat to RUSSIA. America won, but what about that force?

    America gave name of that war against USSR Jihad. and then left those people with lethal weapons to kill the innocents.

    America knew that USAMA was in hospital at Dubai in 2001 for his kidney treatment. why CIA didnt arrest him? Later on again ISI gave the location of USAMA to CIA, why they didnt arrest him?

    USAMA is bloody Joker of America.by using his name America justifying her acts.and to lessen the shame of defeat in Afghanistan, now America want to make pakistan a scape goat.

    If America is unable to cope with Taliban in Afganistan, how she expect from Pakistan to cope with them with limited resources.

    The drone attacks killing hundreds of people. If the family on any one killed in drone attack, how can u expect he become cool even then?

    American Black water having bomb attacks and killing innocents in Pakistan just to take the soft corner of Pakistani Nation against this war of terrorism. This was and is not our War. It is imposed on us.

    What will ur reaction if all this happens with u and ur Nation?

    Its very easy to raise fingers on others.Recommend

  • Mafioso
    Jan 10, 2011 - 10:33AM

    Thanks to Indians and their judiciary system which admitted their involvement finally in some terrorist attacks in their own country. I really want to see aftermath on Hemant Karkares killing in 2008 Incident which surely will reveal alot.

    Long Love Pakistan…………………..We Condemn Terrorism…………..Recommend

  • RizwanTKhan
    Jan 10, 2011 - 11:34AM

    Like we all had been saying that its Indian hand and India has repeatedly denied it. Kudos to Indian court for speaking the truth, not the Indian govt. Soon they would also know that this Mumbai fiasco was the brain child of the people within India. And for the sake of argument, if Pakistan is involved in this, then shame on Indian law enforcing agencies and Military for putting up such a pathetic show and failing completely.

    But lets not get into this time wasting arguments as they don’t bring any result but total loss. Therefore, I would suggest all Pakistani to not waste their time and energy arguing our neighbors in this regard. I would love to suggest the same to our counterparts but I know that is also a waste of time :).

    No hard feelings neighbors! Recommend

  • A Chowdhury
    Jan 10, 2011 - 12:06PM

    @ Sara – Why did then Pakistan support terrorism to fight USSR ? Who asked them to train these militants on its soils ? Didnt your Qaid-e-Azam teach you basic prinicples of common sense and humanity ? If you make friendship with poisonous snake then you are bound to be venomed one day ! Recommend

  • Anoop
    Jan 10, 2011 - 6:09PM

    @Sara,

    “America built a force to give defeat to RUSSIA. America won, but what about that force?”

    –> Sara, my dear, wrong again. USA gave money to Pakistan and Pakistani Army/ISI trained the “Mujahideens”. US did not threaten Pakistan into helping it, Pakistan volunteered.

    Fine lets just say that made sense back then(Although, I am of the opinion that the most important lesson from this is YOU DONT SUPPORT ARMED MILITIAS RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR HOME). But, why did Pakistan support the brutal Taliban regime in the 1990s after the disintegration of USSR? Pakistan was one of the only 3 countries in the world to support the inhuman regime.

    If Pakistan had done the sane thing and supported democratic forces using the tremendous influence it had over Afghanistan, we wouldn’t have this war. As far as I am concerned Pakistan is alone responsible for this Jihadi mess. Although US helped to a great extent, it was ultimately Pakistan’s responsibility, as US is thousands of miles away and literally immune to anything blow-back; Pakistan is NOT!

    “The drone attacks killing hundreds of people. If the family on any one killed in drone attack, how can u expect he become cool even then?”

    –> First of all, drone attacks are happening because YOUR army.is allowing it to happen. It even allows the drones to take off from Shamsi Airbase. WIkileaks have shown that Civilian leaders secretly support the Drones and so do Military leaders.

    http://news.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/12-all-but-shamsi-airbase-vacated-by-us-official–bi-09

    So, stop blaming the Americans. If your leaders (Military and Civilian) dont care about civilian casualty then American drones are not your biggest problem. Americans do it because they can. After all American citizens are not dying in those drone strikes. Stop blaming America for everything and start looking within.

    “It is imposed on us.”

    –> Pakistan is the vary basis for this war. If Pakistan stops NATO land routes like it did few weeks ago, NATO will have no choice but to pull out. But, Pakistan wants this war to go on to milk the Americans. Who will fund you guys if NATO leaves? Those land routes are the only thing that is keeping the Pakistani economy floating.

    If you guys think the war is imposed then all you have to do is close the land routes for NATO supplies. Simple. War in Afghanistan will end in a fortnight.


    What will ur reaction if all this happens with u and ur Nation?”

    –> There are checks and balances in a Democracy. There is overwhelming desire in India to have a independent foreign policy. For example, even though there is lot of mistrust between Russia and US, we are going ahead with our ties with Russia and Russia is still the largest exporter of arms to India.

    This stuff can only happen in countries where there is no democracy and no system.

    “How America can like a Powerful Muslim State? ”

    –> America is allied to one of the most Powerful Muslim State- Saudi Arabia. It has military bases there and get cheap oil from Saudi Arabia. US has given its protection to Saudi against an Iranian attack. Compared to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan is not even in the picture. Pakistan is insignificant. The only notable thing from Pakistan is its nuclear weapons and that is notable because world fears it will fall into Terrorist hands. The murder of Salman Taseer by an elite member of the force has only aggravated the fears about possible nuclear theft.

    If America is allied to the most powerful Muslim state how can you say America hates Muslims? Didnt America help Bosnian Muslims against the Genocidal Christians?

    So, stop blaming US for everything. Recommend

  • ABCDEFG
    Jan 11, 2011 - 7:14PM

    @Anoop….although I don’t always agree with some of your arguments, I will give you kudos for the above debate :)Recommend

  • Someone
    Jan 11, 2011 - 7:20PM

    ” Pakistan is insignificant. The only notable thing from Pakistan is its nuclear weapons and that is notable because world fears it will fall into Terrorist hands.”
    I don’t think I will quite agree with you there. We are not as desperate yet to at least lose one of our most prized assets – our security institutions aren’t that useless at least. This whole thing about nuclear weapons falling into militant hands is western rubbishRecommend

  • Anoop
    Jan 11, 2011 - 7:43PM

    @Someone,

    “We are not as desperate yet to at least lose one of our most prized assets”

    –> In states like Pakistan Nuclear Weapons are weapons of necessity not “assets”. Same with Israel.

    “This whole thing about nuclear weapons falling into militant hands is western rubbish”

    –> Not just Western Countries, but Neutral Organizations, NGOs and Think-tanks feel the same way.

    It makes perfect sense. The theft of nuclear weapons is ruled out. But, the theft of Radioactive elements or Fissile Materials from labs by people sympathetic to Terror Organizations working in those labs is very real.

    The level of radicalization in Pakistan makes it a very real possibility of Terrorists getting their hands on even non-fissile but radioactive materials and developing a what Scientists call a “crude-bomb”.

    Nuclear Weapons are what a mane is to a Lion. Its a show piece for being a big power. When middle-level countries acquire nuclear power, then the State has to protect the Weapon rather than the other way around.

    Nobody questions India’s nukes while they are terrified of Pakistan’s. Recommend

  • Malik
    Jan 12, 2011 - 12:56PM

    ” Not just Western Countries, but Neutral Organizations, NGOs and Think-tanks feel the same way.”
    Ok. Now give me even one of those “neutral organisations, NGOs & Think-tanks” which are really neutral, credible and not allied with western governments. I hope the UN is not running in the back of your mind when you said thisRecommend

  • How..!!!!!
    Feb 16, 2011 - 4:06PM

    @Anoop:
    You have so much free time indulging in venomous debates with little truth coming from yours side…stop wasting your own as well as others time…go and post these comments on Bal Thakaray site…Recommend

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